the surge is working.?

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the surge is working. I believe the generals and what they've said, that the security measures are really beefing up. There's all kinds of great news out there today. There's a story from the Times Online in the UK: "Al-Qaeda Faces Rebellion From the Ranks -- Sickened by the group's barbarity, Iraqi insurgents are giving information to coalition forces -- Fed up with being part of a group that cuts off a person's face with piano wire to teach others a lesson, dozens of low-level members of al-Qaeda in Iraq are daring to become informants for the US military in a hostile Baghdad neighbourhood. The ground-breaking move in Doura is part of a wider trend that has started in other al-Qaeda hotspots across the country and in which Sunni insurgent groups and tribal sheikhs have stood together with the coalition against the extremist movement. 'They are turning. We are talking to people who we believe have worked for al-Qaeda in Iraq and want to reconcile and have peace,' said Colonel Ricky Gibbs, commander of the 4th Brigade, 1st Infantry Division, which oversees the area." We've also captured the #1 Al-Qaeda in Iraq guy, and he's talking. He's admitting that this whole thing of Al-Qaeda in Iraq is a myth. It is a myth that they have created in order to perpetuate the notion that there is a civil war going on in Iraq, where there isn't. There is no Al-Qaeda in Iraq! It's just Al-Qaeda. Operatives from Pakistan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, other places are pouring into the country.

These are not native Iraqis that have joined Al-Qaeda. They're having to import these people, and the surge is working. This is how you beat them, is you turn their own people against them, and that apparently is happening. I don't have any inside information into what's going on over there. I'm connected, as you say, but I don't know anything more than what anybody who has access to media and what the generals are saying, and I think one of the indications, incidentally, that things are going better than anybody thought they would, is the Democrats' desire to kill the surge now rather than wait until September when the final report from General Petraeus comes out. I think they're desperate to get this done and over with because they cannot withstand good news, politically. They just can't withstand it. They've already told us that we have lost. So I think there's an uptick. I think things are happening. When you have the bad guys start turning on each other and when you capture bad guys, they start giving up information, you're obviously on the right track. It's taken some time. I don't know how long it will be sustained. But this can be won, and it could be done with the vision that the president has had -- and that's what scares the Democrats, frankly.





Speaking of Iraq, there are a couple other stories here that indicate great news, and this is along the lines of the Al-Qaeda underlings becoming informants, being so outraged at the barbarity they're seeing. This is in the Washington Times today: "Iraqi Tribes Reach Security Accord." The thrust of the story is that 25 local tribes have joined the US against Al-Qaeda. This is the first agreement book between the Sunnis and the Shi'a. Twenty-five local tribes. Something is happening over there. "Members of the First Cavalry Division based at nearby Camp Taji helped broker the deal Saturday with the tribal leaders who agreed to use members of more than 25 local tribes to protect the area around Taji from both Sunni and Shi'ite extremists." You couple this with the other story, and something's happening. I don't know enough here to understand it all, but something different, something new is happening. People from the Sunni and Shi'a agreeing with us, uniting with us against Al-Qaeda, tells me that the surge is working, and they've reconciled, at least to the extent that they want to defeat Al-Qaeda. They may not have reconciled to get along with each other forever, the Sunnis and Shi'a, but they have reconciled to defeat Al-Qaeda. Also, they're working and meeting on the oil revenue law over there. "Oil Law Stalls in Iraq as Bomb Aims at Sheiks," but they're still meeting about it

Answer 1

Wasn't the latest report from the generals that they don't know if the surge is going to work until November?

But according to the Iraqi Prime Minister -- the surge has already worked. According to the PM, our forces can leave any time.

Answer 2

Actually, many analysts think the turning against al Qaeda in Iraq will only make the sectarian CIVIL WAR even worse. These tribes will become stronger and be better equipped and able to actually fight each other. al Qaeda is only a small portion of the fighting in Iraq. The fact is: Sunnis and Shiites will never get along with each other and be able to form any kind of stable government. That is why the surge is once again doomed to fail.

Answer 3

No the surge has no longer worked. it incredibly is in simple terms a level to coincide with fatherland politics. no longer something has worked. Which exchange into envisioned by many in 2002 and early 2003. Devastation, death and destruction exchange into delivered on Iraq - after 10 years of sanctions that crippled their centers :- water, sanitation, wellbeing. electrical energy. They went from Gulf war a million - then to sanctions - then have been bombarded in Gulf war 2. An envisioned a million million human beings died in the time of the sanctions. yet another 650,000 have died because of the fact the April 03 invasion. they could have been better off decrease than Saddam - who on no account ought to tournament this variety of deaths, and till his astonishing exchange into believed to have been to blame for 40,000 deaths. And all and sundry utilizing the term "terrorists" in connection with this question in simple terms does not understand the area.

Answer 4

The Setup To Destroy America - Nodwell
http://warfolly.vzz.net/thesetup.html

Failure to recognize what’s really happening and who is really behind current events is going to cost us our lives, our country, and our planet.

Although the thought has been in my mind for decades, it took a trailer from the controversial new Turkish movie "Valley of the Wolves" to jar my consciousness into really recognizing what is happening.

America is being set up to take the fall for everything that's wrong with the world.

In the movie, Americans are portrayed as heartless killers, reminding me of the way Germans were portrayed as the evil perpetrators of World War II. And I sensed at that moment that very soon, if not already, Americans are going to be the targets of a worldwide backlash that will be far worse than anything the Germans ever experienced.

And rightly so, because what Americans have done to Iraq, Afghanistan, and so many other countries is far worse than anything the Germans ever did to anyone.

But have you ever thought about the common factor that links Americans and Germans in their tragic fall from grace in the eyes of the world?

Created from well-known accounts of real events, the principal scene in "Valley of the Wolves" shows ruthless U.S. soldiers shooting up a wedding party in Iraq, butchering women and children, and then reveling in it, as if they were slaughtering beings whom they regarded as less than human. Wonder where that idea came from?

I remembered a similar story in the real news from Afghanistan a few years back that curdled my blood, and was mostly covered up by mainstream media. And of course you’ve heard variations on this story for decades from that tortured territory called Palestine, and more lately, Iraq.

But this sense of foreboding about what is happening to Americans — how they have become mindless killer robots who enthusiastically rationalize the need to torture innocent people — led me to realize that the movie lacks one important component.

Namely, who is behind this reversion to barbarism and senselessness? How did all this come to pass, where the country known for its freedom and tolerance had suddenly turned totalitarian, and was even persecuting its own citizens who wanted accountability and justice, or even wanted to ask legitimate questions?

And why is it almost no one can see or describe it, or, for most, even fail to recognize what has happened, never mind bring it up in polite conversation?

How have Americans become so blind to the pain they are inflicting on the world, even as through draconian new laws they are actually inflicting the same pain on themselves?

The process of the perversion of America from a nation of God-fearing, community-loving folks didn’t happen overnight. Some people say it took about a century and a half. But over the past 50 years, Americans has morphed from a compassionate sanctuary for the oppressed into the world’s worst oppressors themselves.

Why? And how?

It all involves the subject we can’t talk about. If you mention a certain word, otherwise competent news organizations won’t touch the story. Ordinary people cringe at the mere mention of it. Many supposedly democratic countries have passed laws prohibiting even discussion of this topic. (J-E-W bastards: Uncensored News For Whites
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/index.html

Victor Wolzek's ELEVEN: Terror, Lies, and the Murder of America - Now available in print - A Work in Constant Progress
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/temp/HistoryofOurWorld.html

Part II: 1900 - 1999 | Part III: 2000 - 2002 | Part IV: 2003 - 2004 | Part V: 2004 - Present Note: All recent updates and changes are in maroon.
Introduction: Persecution or Prosecution? Jewish Tyranny and Anti-Semitism Through the Ages.

Yes, it’s the elephant in the living room again.

Answer 5

The surge, man all we need to do is leave them to kill themselves, and leave all the other countries, and when they ask for help tell them NO, and once, they bomb us with a Nuke then we start WW III, I hope it happens soon!!!! So, the world can recuperate, and start all over again, after a few billion years, but hell at least we won't have to worry about global warming!!!

Answer 6

Note:
Times Online in the UK is Rupert Murdoch owned so that kind of gives the article less credibility.

Answer 7

everything that seems bent is clear,everything that seems clear is bent,puts up truth in a reflection,you must learn to recover when a lie masquerades as the truth,never give anyone time to think.now you are saying the surge is working right...haa,haaa..F.P

Answer 8

Just cause you write a page long comment doesn't make it any more credible. Sure the surge is working, and god talks to Bush

Answer 9

Depends, if your Harry Reid and the DNC for the 08 platform your praying for failure......but they will say "We support the Troops"

Answer 10

thats what the generals say