When Did School Shootings Start. . . . ... Before Or After Prayer Was Removed ?

Question

I'm not implying that it was the sole reason , but when you're trying to find a solution for a problem that formerly didn't exist , it is rational and logical to back-track to search for changes that may have contributed . It's the same thing done in criminal investigations .

I Strongly Encourage Everyone To Read the 33rd answer From JD . Great answer !!!

Answer 1

I think it is logical to look back and try to make a connection of some sort, but it is pretty obvious that violence can occur fro many different reasons and it has been going on for a long time. Before guns were so accessible, I'm sure the preferred method was a knife to stab with.

In my own opinion, I think it should be looked at more from the home life. A better question might be, "Did school violence increase when both parents entered the workforces as opposed to having one parent at home all the time, or has it increased along with the divorce rate?" Kids are violent for many different reasons and how children value life is also a factor.

Here's some irony though. It seems that many kids who are violent at school are mad because they are not accepted or don't fit in. That yearning to be part of something, and i think we've all had that feeling. In a way, that's what makes religion work.....you belong to something. I think the key is paying attention to your kids and keeping them involved in many different activities such as religion, sports, music, and of course education. We may not be able to stop violence, and a metal detector will only provide some false sense of security, but we do have the ability to help prevent it by being involved in the lives of our youth and insuring they are well-educated and cared for. Sometimes, I think we only have ourselves to blame.

Answer 2

I'm pretty sure it was right after parents stopped holding their children accountable for their actions throughout life.
Possibly they were too wrapped up in their own lives to even notice what their kids were doing, you know, divorced-parent syndrome.
Mommy and daddy always bailing their kids out of trouble every time they do something stupid instead of teaching them a lesson is what caused this sort of thing. The first time their kids stole a pack of gum from the store, they should have dragged them into the store by their ear, made them apologize profusely and repay TWICE what the pack of gum was worth. Does that happen?? NO!! Instead the parents don't even notice or they simply tell them not to do it again. Why would the kid listen?? They get to KEEP the gum, they don't have to pay for it, there are virtually NO consequences for their actions, so WHY NOT continue on this selfish path??
Kids learn at an early age that they can do whatever they want, all they have to do is scream loud enough and mommy and daddy will cave.
We have ourselves to blame, simply because we CHOOSE to do what's easy instead of what's right.

Answer 3

The worst school shootings have occurred after, but I don't think the school prayer issue is the root of the problem. The problem is that we have youth who are increasing exposed to more and more violent situations in TV, movies and video games. Couple this with a society that has become less concerned with responsibility for actions and more interested in trying to explain or excuse behavior in general. In the end what you are left with is a society which has too little value for human life. It is only going to get worse as we continue to erase the constraints of traditional morality.

Answer 4

Prayer maybe one thing, but I think it goes deeper than that. When it took two parents to make a living, because of high taxes and cost of living, kids were left to fend for themselves. Then comes the electronic attack, Atari, Nintendo, then Commodore 64 for starters. Kids stopped playing in the neighborhood and begin hiding out at home, playing games.

Then the kids got older and the schools were having to try and fill the role in raising these kids. Parents were too busy working and paying bills and the kids went wild.

Now, add to this Hip- Hop, Rap and Gangsta Rap, talking about killing, knifing and all the violence that is in the evening news, it was a matter of time when kids began to go postal.

When we grew up, kids played together, sometimes we had fist fights, but then we made friends again and went on with life. Kids today have no real value on life and don't understand the concept of dead is truly dead, and you don't come back like in a movies.

When we lost God in the schools and at least one parent, we lost the future generations. Look around, this is our future out there, shooting and killing each other in school, on the streets.

Answer 5

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Answer 6

What a strange connection you make. I would rather make a connection between school shootings and easy access to guns. Here in Europe, with all our restrictions on guns, we have significantly less school shootings than you in the U.S. How's that? (And by the way, school prayer is an alien concept to us.)

Answer 7

I agree with you 100%. The loss of prayer also goes along with the loss of parents teaching their children old fashioned Christian values. That would exclude A LOT.. teen pregnancy, shootings, bad bahavior in general. All in all I believe that the Christian way is the right way to raise children. My children would NEVER dream of making fun of or bulling anyone. They know that it is not how God wants us to treat people.
In fact, last school yr my 8 yr old had a boy in his class who was always made fun of, beat up and stuff. I had talked to this boys mom and she was just distraut over the way her son was being treated.
I told my son about the situation and he was more then willing to make a greater effort to be this child's friend and make sure that he had someone to play/eat lunch with. In the end they both ended up with a great friend.
Blessings.

Answer 8

trying to attach one single factor as the cause is probably not the best way to pursue what you are after. Each state governs their schools differently so the actual times would be different. Then you would be trying to make a link between the time that, say, Colorado stopped until Columbine happened. What about the states that have not had any shootings? There is not a direct connection-the elimination of prayer in schools does not equate to school shootings. But prayer in/out of schools would not have affected the current climate in schools. There are many more psych/sociological factors that contribute.

Answer 9

Back in the 1960's, all the ultra-hip, trend-setting people thought they were a breath of fresh air in a stale world run by antiquated rules. They believed they were changing the world for the better.

What they forgot was that a lot of what they trashed was the glue holding society together.

Back in the days whe people were more religious, there was a greater sense of shame in acting badly. How many crooks today are repentent? It's even hard to conceive it, but the thought of shaming your family used to be a potent deterrent. Nowadays, crooks smile at the camera and drink in their 15 minutes of fame.

When I went to Catholic school, you had to do your homework, and you made sure it was as good as you could do it. Why? Were we all young, ambitious, go getters? No, but you couldn't face seeing how let down your parents would be if you came home with a "C". The nuns who taught us were generally dedicated teachers, and the look of sadness and disappointment on their faces was even worse punishment than your parents could dish out. We knew these nuns lived for their students. The big difference is, we respected our teachers because they were such good and caring people. Even when they made things hard for us, we knew they were trying to help us. They gave us everything they had, and when we screwed up, we were ashamed.

Take faith in a higher power out of the picture, and you get the modern scenario of kids threatening to kill their teachers, and shooting other students. If you fought in Catholic school, the pastor would sit you down and remind you of all the passages in the Bible that we should have remembered ourselves. Once again, his look of disappointment, his questioning of how we could forget all that he had taught us over the years, was a strong deterrent toward repeated bad behavior.

Answer 10

After

I don't know that is the exact reason but that was the start of situational ethics, divorce became common, parents wanting to be their kids buddy, and don't want to upset Johnny with keeping score.

Once we started to wander off standards of discipline is when kids who do the shooting started to show up.
We put such an emtional load on our kids with no boundaries they began to snap.

I don't think it is just one thing buy many.
We have to understand that once the kids are allow to run wild we can expect anything.
For example the other day a Barnes and Noble I heard a kid screaming at the top of her lungs "MOMMY YOU ARE A B****!" there stood the mother saying "Dear I am going to put you in a time out." The kid keep on swearing at her mother tell she drag that brat out of the store and into the van to drive away.
If I said that to my parent growing up there would have been a thud of me hitting the floor.

Columbine is a prefect example "Son are you making bombs in your bedroom?"
"No Dad"
"OK"

I never thought prayer was so evil that it was going to kill us all but we are to accept now Muslim to get out of school so they can pray.
A college requires students to read a book on Islam in order to get a degree.
School give kids Muslim names to understand Islam.
Other places have now istall footbaths for the Muslims.

Yet if you bring a Bible to school SWAT will be there to drag you kid off.

Time to get a grip people of this of being PC.