Is Presidential *executive* power in the US now bordering on Dictatorship?

Question

I fear it is! Please read this article before replying.

http://www.chris-floyd.com/Articles/Articles/The_Legal_Pervert%27s_Parade%3A_Executive_Privilege_%DCber_Alles/

And this one too if possible. =)
http://www.chris-floyd.com/Articles/Articles/Bringing_It_All_Back_Home%3A_New_Bush_Order_Could_Criminalize_Dissent/

Many interesting answers. I'm an Italian living in Britain and pretty informed about various current systems of govt. The European nations in general have more democratic systems than the UK and US, Scandinavia is even better and the Swiss have the closest system to true democracy. Politicians aren't so keen on the Swiss system as it is very unwieldy......... to them!!! =)

A lot of checks and balances were built into the US Constitution by the FF's, they must be turning in their graves at Bush and Co's attempts to slime their way out of them. As so many have said, this ain't new, Nixon *with Cheney and Rumsfeld's help!! Coincidence??!!* was the last President to abuse the Constitution to this level but at least he respected Americans intelligence enough to know it must be done covertly. Look what happened to him tho!! This admin are shouting their even worse abuses and seem to be getting away with it.

It's only very recently in our history that ordinary people won the right to influence our system of govt. It's madness to let any of these rights be taken away.

Thought it would be worth posting a link to the Executive Order itself. The very worrying element is revealed in the first paragraph: "and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people" This is to apply to US citizens both inside and outside the US, what constitutes undermining? Disagreeing with George's disastrous policies in Iraq?

We might like to think it couldn't happen here but this reeks of totalatarian stylee Govt. People accused will have no right to redress, it's very serious.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html

There were a good few answers i liked but not many that really hit the point about just how dangerous the current admin is. Many previous Presidents have certainly chanced their arm but Bush and Co are taking executive power to a level that puts them outside the checks and balances of the Constitution. And they seem to be getting away with it.

Nixon was threatened with Impeachment for far less and Clinton hounded to Impeachment for trivia. Wish i could understand what's gone wrong.

Answer 1

Yes. The White House has a whole bevy of executive orders waiting and ready to scrap the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Answer 2

The question so bold it had to be asked twice! ; )

No. I read what a Cuban American wrote as his response (on the other question) and we're not even close. Built into the constitution is a revolution that happens every two years to four years. That's the time we can replace the entire congress and 1/3 of the senate. Every 4 years we can replace the executive branch, , the congress and 2/3's of the senate.

Corporations run the world, the politicians are just their figureheads. It's because this country takes our political process for granted. Usually less than half of our country even votes. Very few people take the time to research their candidates. Choosing usually based on biased TV commercials they watch.

Our system may look bad, but it's actually one of the best in the world. We (and the French) invented democracy, and it cannot be taken away from us.

Politics and political thought move like a pendulum. We've swung far off the the right, now we're probably going to swing off to the left. Don't worry, we end up in the middle in the long run.

Have fun at the festival! 8)

Answer 3

I agree with Ernest...This has been happening for years. It's nothing new - I think people are just waking up more now. But yes, this is a non-partisan issue. Being part of the Illuminati, both Democratic and Republican Presidents in the past have worked towards setting up one-world fascist rule. Dems/Reps are just two sides of the same coin which is why I don't connect myself to a particular party. Let's not forget how Clinton pushed gun control legislation through Congress or how he participated in other power grabs such as Presidential Decision Directive 25 which allowed US troops to be put under U.N. control. The global elite want to empower the U.N. and establish a one world govt. so Clinton did their bidding as well.

Answer 4

The violation of our constitution has been happening for nearly a century now. One step at a time.. Slowly chipping away at everything it once stood for.

Ron Paul is the ONLY politician willing to do anything about it. He is the only one speaking up on behalf of our constitutional rights, and the only one who has a plan on restoring our freedoms!

(on Dem side Gravel has spoken up on alot of the issues as well, but he has not been as verbal about his plans.)

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Sad thing is, with our current election system, there is no way to know for sure who will win the election. The media seems to want rudy and hillary going against each other.. so that is what they will make happen.

Good 9 part movie on youtube, shows just how the electronic voteing machines are easily corrupted and done without a trace..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzPXer7946E

Answer 5

Read the article and I can not concur, the majority of the practices/authority mentioned and refereed to have been long time practices and not inventions of the current administration. They are presently being used by this administration and what I believe that we are seeing is the lawyers & lawmakers running amuck on all sides.

I am not very comfortable with some of these counter terrorism efforts and judaical changes. I keep refering to Benjerman Franklins statement about " A nation that gives up its liberties in exchange for security will end up with neither."

Answer 6

Now I would be more willing to listen to Chris Floyd if the website wasn't so obviously dedicated to attacking the presidency every chance possible. Is it possible that Chris is "biased" against Bush? The facts are most certainly distorted regarded "executive privilege" and how it's been used in the past by other presidents. Clinton himself used executive directives to authorize warrentless wiretaps as well as investigate political enemies.

I suggest staying away from conspiracy theorists except in the case of Bush's mind control over cow flatulence which warms the earth to the point that no one can think and therefore he will rule the world at the discretion of the Illuminati reptiles who just so happen to live in Duluth Minnesota.

Answer 7

My dear friend, have you just noticed this. No civil government truly exists; all dictatorships and civil governments are orchestrated by the military power. Besides, Bush manipulated the elections and he is guilty of multiple fraud, from that moment on you do have a dictatorship. Every country in the world works that way, elections are a fraud, they just make you believe you voted. Whoever will benefit businessmen is the one who wins, if something different happens and a decent person gets elected, he's murdered just like Kennedy, Lincoln and Pope Joan I.
The executive power whatever the hell it pleases with its poeple and no-one give two figs for them. People die in Iraq and Afghanistan to increase Bush's and his associates patrimony. Do you really believe he doesn't know where freakin' Bin Laden is? Do you believe they are not working together and cheating the world with a façade?
Ernest man, you said it.

Answer 8

The president has no more power now than it ever had. The congress is who I fear. They pass so many laws each year no one can keep up.
The branch of government that "dictates" is the Judicial branch. They scare me the most. They legislate from the bench and make laws without the authority to do so.
They are supposed to enforce the law that congress makes. Lately they try to make the law.

Answer 9

This has been happening for years....I was squawking about it when Clinton was doing the same thing with EO 12919, putting technology sales with Dept. of Commerce, instead of the State Dept....etc...This has been going on since Wilson passed the Federal Reserve Act.....Welcome aboard the conspiracy train...But I'll bet you were one of the one's castigating me during the Clinton years...It's not about Dem vs. Rep. or Lib vs. Con....It's about power brokers and their serfdom....It just so happens that you're a lib and it's Bush doing it. What were you saying when Clinton was doing the same thing? Chances are you weren't in the political process then and now you are. I'm not saying I agree with Bush, or that I even support him, but to concentrate solely on one administration, when this has been going on for years seems partisan, trite and ignorant. When you get the blinders off and quit looking at this as "The Evil Cons or Rep." and realize that the upper echelon, Right, Left, whatever, isn't out for your best interests...Let me know...

THE HEGEL-GOEBBELS DIALECTIC:
SYNTHESIS, ANTITHESIS, THESIS

SYNTHESIS: Figure out what sort of power you want and all the neat things you could do if you had it (but don't tell anybody this part).

ANTI-THESIS: Identify the subgroup and/or object set that you can sacrifice to the attainment of the synthesis, keeping in mind the inherent xenophobic, anti-materialist, and anti-intellectual bias of the general population in their manifold ignorance and in their elevation of creature comfort over hard-edged principles (but don't tell anybody this part).

THESIS: Postulate and publicize the foregone conclusion that the chosen subgroup and/or object set is responsible for whatever ails the nation (which problems are never in short supply), and that if only we had sufficient societal fortitude and will to forthrightly address the problem by sacrificing a few trivial privileges and "rights" that only egghead intellectuals and overzealous ruffian yahoos who oversimplify and distort the complicated abstract conclusions of the pointy-heads could possibly really care about anyway, all the while demonizing the chosen target by making up and incessantly repeating various pejorative labels about them and the boldest sort of patently absurd Big Lies to discredit THEM as not being deserving of the slightest sympathy or regard of the good, docile, and obedient citizens that WE good burghers know WE are (tell everybody this part).

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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
-- H.L. Mencken

Answer 10

It's NOT "bordering on", it ALREADY HAS BEEN a dictatorship, just as W has always wanted, but he is in fact being controlled and doing the bidding of others. Dick Cheney is the one who is REALLY running the government. However, take heart--the dictators will be gone before very long.