Proof there is a God?

Question

For those of you that love to ridicule faith, let me ask you this:

Do you believe the sun will rise tomorrow morning? What is your evidence? How can you be sure? You can't, but you have faith. The fact is everyone has faith.

How can intelligent life form from nothing? Do you honestly think the Big Bang formed from NOTHING and that inteligent life than formed from NOTHING as well? If there is a watch there must be a watchmaker. Nothing so intricate can form from an accident.

If there was nothing before the Big Bang, then where did the energy come from? If there is no God, then why do we have a conscience? Evolution is only concerned with survival, not if we feel bad if we tell a little white lie. Why is the earth the PERFECT distance from the sun? If it were too far away it would be too cold. Too close and it would be too hot. This is an amazing coincidence. Oh, and it happens to have water too. The evidence is there. Agree?

These things prove Christianity.

Answer 1

Ugh. Congrats on making one of the most redundant (and believe me, thoroughly refuted) arguments. A certain amount of faith is required to live and function. One could very well make the argument that we don't know the sun won't explode and kill us all, within an hour. But one, there is plenty of evidence and experience suggesting that it probably won't, and two, if you assume that it will, just because you don't know that it won't, you'll most likely destroy your life in the process. There's a difference between that faith, and the "believe in God just because" faith. If your argument holds true, anything I can dream up exists. To insist that one believe in God is no different than insisting that one believe in unicorns or Santa Claus. Do you know they don't exist? No? Then why don't you believe in them? You believe the sun will rise, don't you?

On your next point, then where did God come from? Who created him? He's just always been there? Why don't you explain why it's impossible for all the matter in the universe to have simply existed. The laws of physics only state that we can't create more of it, not that it couldn't have simply always been there.

If there is no God, why do we have a conscience? Well, why do we have any feelings? None of it does anything to support the existence of God. One makes associations between actions and experiences/consequences. Feel like telling me why it's impossible that you simply feel bad because you associate what you did with something negative? Why do some people not seem to have a conscience? Do you think it's more likely that they fail to make connections between their actions and consequences, and lack empathy, or that God just forgot to give them one?

Why are the conditions on this planet just right for the kind of life that exists on this planet? Because life developed in response to environment. Life developed to survive on this planet, based on the conditions on this planet. Can you say with certainty that life as we know it is the only form of life that exists? And even if it is, so life occurred on the planet whose conditions were favorable for it. No surprise there. No. No evidence there, either.

You prove nothing. What you have is not proof. It's not even evidence. Don't be foolish enough to believe it is. Like all religious "evidence", it's just a complete misunderstanding of everything around you.

Answer 2

This is a good argument but there are several logical fallacies in your reasoning.
I disagree that there is a direct correlation between faith in God and the assumption that the sun will rise tomorrow. One is based on blind faith the other is a logical assumption.

I can logically conclude that the Sun will rise tomorrow because of an very strong inductive inference. Two things affect the strenght or weakness of an inductive inference, sample size and biased. For this particular inference the former is relative while the latter is not. In lamens terms, I can reasonably conclude the sun will rise to tommorrow because it has risen for the past umpteen billion years. Therefore I have an astronomically high sample size so my inductive inference is strong. It would take a cataclesmic event to alter the planetary motion of the Sun and Earth tommorrow. This is far different than having Blind faith in a God.

Q. How can intelligent life form from nothing?
A. I dont believe in nothing. Nothing is that which does not exist, which would be the absence of any and all energy. Think of it this way Energy never Dies and Energy was Never born - Therefore there is no beginning and ending just the cycle itself.

Q. If there was nothing before the Big Bang, then where did the energy come from?
A. People that think the Big Bang was the beginning of everything share the same logical fallacy of believing in nothing. Nothing does not exist, for if it did exist it would not be nothing....correct? Therefore it never was and never will be because it simply does not exist. The Big Bang if it is true is simply a transmutation of transforming energy to comprise a form.

Q. If there is no God, then why do we have a conscience?
A. First you must show why God and the human consciences are related. Why can we not have one without the other?
Q. Why is the earth the PERFECT distance from the sun?
A. This is something I have wrestled with myself. I dont know but this is a damn good question. I would just like to add that just because it is the perfect distance from the sun does not deduce the existence of an all powerful being. Just that there is a cause for this perfection. Damn good question!
Q. If there is a watch there must be a watchmaker. Nothing so intricate can form nothing.
A. I disagree, the perfection of organisms can be attributed to progeny. The characterisitics passed down from parents to childern. If you are going to cite that organisms are perfectly designed for there environment you are wrong. Over 99 percent of the species that have inhabited the earth are now extinct. The process is anything but perfect. Furthermore, natural selection acting on genetic mutations better suites organisms for the surrounding environment. You can almost look at it like organisms are a part of the enivornment not seperate.

Q. These things prove Christianity.
A. I fail to see any correlation between the complexity of organisms, the distance of the Sun from the earth, and a relgious docutrine, namely christianity. In other words it doesnt wash.

(I suggest you read Aquinas five ways and the Design arguement. Both are philosophies to try to prove God exist. Although I disagree with both you may find it interesting)

Answer 3

Q: Do you believe the sun will rise tomorrow morning?
A: No, I know it will.

Q: What is your evidence? How can you be sure?
A: I've seen it every day for almost 40 years.

Q: How can intelligent life form from nothing?
A: Chance is more plausible to me than being "winked" into existence.

Q: Do you honestly think the Big Bang formed from NOTHING and that inteligent life than formed from NOTHING as well?
A: The Big Bang is a theory, not fact as is the Bible. Of course the Bible is the words and laws of "God" to you, but that sounds just as silly to me as is my non-belief to you.

Q: If there was nothing before the Big Bang, then where did the energy come from?
A: Again, it's a theory, but I do like one of Stephen Hawking's hypothesis in regard to the Universe that maybe it was just here and that there was no Big Bang. Plausible? I think so.

Q: If there is no God, then why do we have a conscience?
A: Is mankind incapable of knowing the difference between what is right and wrong without the aid of a "manual"?

Q: Why is the earth the PERFECT distance from the sun?
If it were too far away it would be too cold. Too close and it would be too hot. This is an amazing coincidence.
A: Yes, it is a coincidence isn't it?

Q: Agree?
A: Fk no.

You: These things prove Christianity.
Me: "These things prove absolutely nothing".

Answer 4

Let's see if I can cover all of your retarded points.
We have evidence, not faith. I don't know it will rise. It's just extremely likely.
How can an omnipotent being exist for no reason? Evolution and the Big Bang are both quite well-explained. We're not a watch. You're wrong, it did.
There doesn't have to be a reason for everything. Having a conscience make sense for life as much as it trying to survive does. It's not the perfect distance from the sun. It's not like it's in the best spot, or if we moved a few centimeters we'd be dead. Why isn't Venus the perfect distance from the sun? Just because you're on it, it doesn't make our planet special. The others have water, and would have more if they were somewhere else.
None of this even proves a god, and associating it with yours for no reason proves what garbage this is.

Answer 5

Just because we don't know how life came into being or actually, we don't know how anything came into being doesn't mean that there actually is a God. And you say that there are too many coincidences in this life for it to be a coincidence. But how many other things could have existed but didn't? We think that our lives are perfect, and this earth is perfect, but you can only say that when we can compare it to something else. We have nothing to compare to, so we really don't know if life on earth is perfect or it might not be. There are billions of other galaxies out there, do you really think there is no chance at all that other life exists? Not to mention that there are many psychological explanations for the idea of god to even exist, if that doesn't prove it wrong. Also, I don't know how to phrase this correctly but leaders of a small town or tribe would actually use religion to make their citizens obey some laws or orders. For example, the leader would actually tell the citizens that God had said you must pay this much tax or donate this much to the king, without actually letting any citizen to read what "god had wrote." not to mention, they never taught the citizens to read, just so they could do that. I never understood why people limit the amount of thinking they put into this subject, the one thing any one should learn is that nothing in life is certain. Nothing is certain. I think that's very true. we have the ability to TRY predict the future, yet we NEVER don't the actually have the ability to predict it. What if, the answer to this question is beyond human understanding. Maybe we aren't smart enough to understand. THere were many things we didn't understand untill someone smart enough figured it out, for example Albert Einstein. So perhaps time will tell the answer to this question. I just hope I'm alive when that happens.

Answer 6

how can we know that the sun will rise in the morning....we cannot, however we can predict that it will rise through the study of patterns....the sun rose this morning and every other morning that i can remember, So i can clearly predict that it will rise tomorrow....

How can intelligence come from nothing???? this is the argument from design....and to your dismay it proves nothing....
this is the complete argument:
1. A watch and the universe as a whole resemble each other in that they both display a high level of complex organization, close fitness of parts to function, etc.
2. Such features could never have arisen through the operation of chance alone.
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ˆ (3) The watch has been designed and made (by a watchmaker).
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ˆ (4) The universe also has been designed and made (by God).
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ˆ (5) Therefore God exists.

This is an argument from analogy, and it suffers all the problems that arguments from analogy do, and as a result it is entirely possible for 1 and 2 and the sub-conclusion (3) to be true, while their further sub-conclusion (4) is false. (for the reasoning for this please email me, i is just to long to post here....)

The major problem with this argument, however, is found in 2 which says "Such features could never have arisen through the operation of chance alone.”. Our understanding of natural
selection shows quite clearly how things such as life and all other systems in the universe could have arisen by chance: those that fit into the way the rest of the universe is, tend to survive, while those that are not, die out.

Notice that anyone who believes in God and does not believe in the theory of evolution will clearly not accept this criticism and will stand by the truth of that premise.....

You also seem to be questioning creation????
Modern cosmology offers accounts of the universe which make it either cyclical (it begins and ends in a cosmic catastrophe which causes it to begin again) or timeless: the Big Bang makes both time and space aspects of matter, so before the Big Bang, there was no time....Id also like to point out two things, if the universe needs a creator, that created the creator....and if God can be eternal (ie: have no creator) why cant the universe be the same....

RYANK

Answer 7

LIke the first answerer- where did god come from?


even if everything you said was totally accurate it would be proof of some sort of creative impetus, be it like us or a blob of gas. It is NOT proof of christianity, why not say it's proof of islam?

We are not the perfect distance from the sun- things could work here at many distances closer and farther away from the sun.

I am most definitely not sure the sun will return in a few hours. It probably will based on the data we have, but I may not rise with the sun tomorrow. That is why we should live every day like it's the last. Can you see where I'm going with this here?

Answer 8

I don't ridicule faith. It's part of our genetic makeup, evolved over eons as a mechanism for survival, especially for primitive man. But jumping to the supernatural conclusion regarding the energy that produced the Big Bang is not rational. To think that the earth's distance from the sun had something to do with a super-being is using Cave Man logic to explain the formation of the solar system.

Your logic reminds me of the movie “The Gods Must Be Crazy,” a native in the Kalahari Desert encounters technology for the first time--in the shape of a Coke bottle. I found this to be very amusing, but I also began to see parallels between his thought process, and that of the modern day Theist. Both are using CAVEMAN LOGIC to explain their world. I fail to see the difference between “hmm, bottle fall from sky, must be gods” and “hmm, trees and butterflies prove the existence of god.”

In both of these cases, someone is simply replacing one unknown for another unknown, but proving nothing!

Not only can God not be proven, but I will also go so far as to say that God can be disproved. It is impossible for something to be all knowing and all good. If you are aware that something bad is going to happen, and you allow it to happen anyway, then you cannot be all good. If God created everything, then he also created evil. It is also impossible to be all-powerful; can God create a rock that even he himself cannot move?

I would have thought that as man became more knowledgeable and logical that he would have pushed aside his caveman beliefs, but it seems to be just the opposite.

Answer 9

i agree on what your saying truely. But proof idont think is the word. You see we cant prove something that we dont have solid evidence of. But since we are christians our faith overpowers the need for scientific proof and we lie what we know about christianity over the beings of evolution and science. But overall i agree with your statement and because it is faith that brings you to think that there wil be a next day, and it is belief that there had to be someone or something as what we believe in God to cause all there "coincidences" in the way life has formed itself

Answer 10

No they don't!

You say that because there is something here that God has to be responsible, and that every watch has a watchmaker. Than, who made God? He couldn't have come from nothing, right? Well, that's what you said.

Also, if, in another solar system, there was a planet in the perfect position, than there would be life, and most likely intelligent life, like humans.