Would that help alleviate some poverty and crime?
Nothing mandatory, of course. Just offer them an enticing enough amount, maybe $2000 or so would be fair. This seems to be peanuts compared to the amount of tax money spent on their progeny when it comes to the enormous law enforcement and court costs associated with juvenile delinquents (many of whom will grow up to collect public aid and produce more delinquents). What if we just offered them the dough to have a tubal ligation or vasectomy?
Take the story of one Winnipeg family:
"Three brothers in the same family — ages 18, 16 and 14 — have a combined 181 convictions for car theft and property crimes. They’re facing another 77 new charges.
...mom, an admitted crack addict
Perhaps the worst part? They’ve got four other siblings at home under the age of 12"
http://www.winnipegfreepress2.com/blogs/reynolds/?p=148
I'm sick of throwing tax money down a welfare hole that serves no purpose other than to perpetuate a cycle of irresponsibility and dependence. We need something that works.
Now, I'm not advocating that the government do this. I'm talking about a private charitable organization, to which donations could be claimed as tax-deductable. I would even donate some money to fund a pilot program.
When viewed in these terms, a mere $2000 investment would pay off exponentially!
2007-07-20 06:01:51 · 28 answers · asked by Anonymous in Politics & Government ➔ Politics
ugly truth--LOL! No one is talking about FORCED sterilization--the payment is OFFERED to
the woman who can either accept or decline. CHOICE! Isn't that what you Libs are all about?
loftitright-too bad Clinton vetoed welfare reform 2X before finally signing the REPUBLICAN bill!
Isi-see my note to uglytruth and step off your high horse. The nazis were the masters of late
term abortion and the vile manner they dismembered living babies. You're all for abortion aren't
you? This prevents future unwanted pregancies!
Grumpyoldman--We are not talking about people UNABLE TO WORK--those are who the wel
fare program was designed to help--not those who WONT!
Annie Oakley--cept for the pay for their education part (not a bad idea, but we're talking about
people who don't want to work here) I love your solutions to terrorists and
pedophiles YOU ROCK!
Iceman gets it!
Awesome idea. As someone who has worked doling out those benefits--yes, there are hardworking, good parents who just need temporary help now and then--they're the people this program should help. Then I've seen women (druggies) who have baby after baby (only to have their parental rights terminated in court). So, they have another to get more benefits until that crack baby is taken away. Give them $2000 up front after the operation (which we will also pay for) and problem solved! I think many would refuse, but I believe a majority would accept!
2007-07-20 13:06:54 · answer #1 · answered by Cherie 6 · 5⤊ 1⤋
Provided it is completely voluntary and is not offered to those under 18, then it is a brilliant idea that deserves support. I think that it would probably come within the family planning organization annual vote in the Congress and likely is tax deductible if Planned Parenthood is in that position.
It should not be tied to any requirement, provided that it is not paid to the impotent, except that it should not be paid to persons who are not in charitable need, because they can pay for their own vasectomy. The vasectomies should be very thoroughly done, so that there is no question of reversal.
I do not think that you will get many women to take it up, because it kills any hope of welfare for them.
There should be commission paid to patients to find more patients. The liability issue could be cabined in the same way that Planned Parenthood cabins liability for abortions. That should be researched.
Otherwise, there should be separate non-profits for each locality and the non-profits should not own any property and the procedures should be examined to see whether they have to be dealt with by doctors. Technological advance may have overcome that.
About tax deductibility - I found this at United Way:-
United Way Gift
Many corporations participate in Annual Giving Campaigns (such as United Way) which benefit hundreds of non-profit organizations. Donations to PPGG are made in the form of pledges via payroll deductions throughout the year or as a one-time gift. Planned Parenthood Golden Gate is listed as a participating United Way organization. If your company has a United Way campaign, you can direct a donation to Planned Parenthood Golden Gate.
2007-07-21 05:18:40 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
Except for the fact that you are waaaaaay too obsessed with this welfare thing, this isn't an altogether outrageous suggestion.
Fact is, we're ALWAYS going to have people in need, and among them there will be slackers. There's no screen fine enough to eliminate slackers. As regards those who are deserving of charity and benevolence, I find you extremely cold-hearted.
You might find it interesting that earlier today in another category, I suggested a "3 strikes and you're out" rule for marriage. In other words, if you file for divorce a third time, you are obviously either 1) incapable of living harmoniously with any other human being or 2) incapable of making intelligent choices in partners. No more marriage license for you.
And if someone is found to be the parent of an "illegitimate" child (by way of DNA testing), they get sterilized.
So, you and I do have some common ground. Not a whole helluva lot; just some.
2007-07-20 13:29:26 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 2⤋
Look at all the liberals squawking about it being unfair to sterilize people based on their income. lol Liberals like Gore, Clinton, Edwards and Kerry want everyone on welfare except them of course. Then they can run the show and hand out the money as they see fit. Then everyone would have to vote for them because after all they are the only ones who can give us the money we need to survive. I think this is a great idea. There are lots of people who are so stupid they should be sterilized. If you're not going to be personally responsible to take care of your children, you shouldn't have any.
2007-07-20 15:03:10 · answer #4 · answered by ? 6 · 5⤊ 1⤋
To the the person who stated that poor people suck. . . . You're wrong. . . . Poor people don't suck. . . being poor sucks. Poor people don't like being poor. Many successful adults were born into poor homes. So, no, I don't think that welfare people should be paid to get sterilized. I think they should be paid to get educated.
However, I do believe that stupid people should be beheaded, idiots should be executed by firing squad, and pedophiles should have a hand grenade shoved up their a$$ and have their perverted little heads blown off.
2007-07-20 14:16:02 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
I agree with Clint (Rep w/no name.) He seems to be the only one who got it.
If you offer someone money to get sterilized it doesn't mean they have to accept it. However, if they do, does anybody have any confidence in their ability to raise children without totally screwing them up?
I mean come on... the gene pool could do with some cleansing don't you think?
Some of you people take yourselves way to seriously!
2007-07-20 14:22:52 · answer #6 · answered by Iceman 3 · 3⤊ 1⤋
Wefare payments go to a small number of Americans following the changes in welfare reform under President Clinton.
2007-07-20 13:16:48 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 4⤋
That isn't very ethical. You are making sterilization a financial issue rather they a family issue. That will in turn end up making children into something determined by class. Why not instead have a tax on the amount of children you have? Because it takes one issues (family) and forces it into another issue (financial). Places like China do this.
You also don't tell the stories of really poor people who end up giving a great deal back to the country (Bill Clinton).
WWJD?
2007-07-20 13:07:10 · answer #8 · answered by Take it from Toby 7 · 5⤊ 5⤋
I agree. Why bring more unloved people into the world? Pay off the horney ones not to reproduce!
2007-07-20 14:11:23 · answer #9 · answered by Granny 6 · 5⤊ 1⤋
Thats a harsh judgments. There were a few times in my past I was forced to accept public assistance. I am now a college educated single parent of 4 kids. I raise my kids to appreciate all that they have. They are neither delinquents or uneducated. If you do research, you will see that most welfare recipients are working families with 2 parents who just need a bit extra to make ends meet.
2007-07-20 13:05:46 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 8⤊ 6⤋