Any one have any doubts about why we need to fight socialism?

Question

I'm an old style democrat. I say that and people call me a republican as if I've always been one. Those of you who have left the democratic party know what I'm speaking about, as do those of you who are stunned to discover just how socialist some of our leaders are. If you are unclear about how that happened, look at the history of the socialist party, half-way down the page, where it says, "Split". That's when we started taking on socialists.

There is no aspect of socialism in it's modern form that our Founding Fathers would have approved of. Their focus was different in many ways, even in creating some of the social programs they did.

We can't allow this disintegration of the Democratic party to continue. Return to the party. Vote out the socialists. Make it the party of equal rights, free speech, and free expression that it was. They can stay in their own party rather than keeping ours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_of_America

Educate yourselves. Choose.

Stunningly good examples (almost all of them, and no wasted words - I don't consider disagreement to ever be wasted, just political bigotry and nonsense in response to genuine questions) of the intelligence of Yahoo! Answerers. Well done. Those of you who know me know I try to be a little on the contraversial side when asking questions. Giving all sides in the question doesn't make for a good discussion.
Glad I'm here with you.

Answer 1

I am all for an end to socialism and advocate a proper wage paid to the majority of people . The working class that is taxed to death and under paid .
The people who put the real value into America .
Those who improve and provide the comforts of life that we all take for granted have for to long been abused by the system .
A special class of people have been given authority over the working class .
They have held them down and done little to insure they have what they deserve .
The piece of the pie they earned with hard work long hours and low pay for much to long .

Working hard and paying taxes never got anyone ahead in this country .
Its better to hustle and sell merchandise then it is to work at making it .

Insurance is a form of socialism that needs to go along with welfare and food stamps .

Let the charity of the rich provide for the poor . Gives them something to do . This will tend to keep the idle rich from alcoholism ,drug addiction, and affairs caused by boredom .
The working class are to busy to bother with such things or so hopelessly behind they have given up and medicate themselves to alleviate the pain from the daily grind .

Its one thing to be social and help one another its is a far different thing from taxing the working people to give it to those who make little or no effort to improve their lot or contribute to that society .

Yes socialism ,but the proper kind ,where we look out after the best interests of those we are surrounded by .

We as people need to take an interest in our fellow man not the government .

Answer 2

Wolf, you have about the best answer I have seen in weeks! Thank you!

No country in the world has a pure economic system, whether it be capitalism, communism, or socialism. By the way, all three are economic systems, not political systems. Can everyone at least learn that? Obviously, Wolf knows it.

Socialism works best on a sound foundation of capitalism. Capitalism in a country that has strong social programs must be healthy. Business people and investors need a reason to take risks and they must see results from their taxes, which must not be excessive.

So many people cite France (a sound democratic republic I might add) as the best example of a socialist government. They conveniently forget Sweden, a Constitutional Monarchy, and its socialist success.

Terms, terms, terms. Definitions, definitions, definitions.

So many people can use the terms, but have no idea of the definitions. Let's get the terms associated with the right definitions.

Fight socialism? Yes--unmanaged, uncontrolable socialism that ignnores the need for a strong capitalist foundation. Fight it the same way we should fight unbridled capitalism, which ignores humanity. Communism? Well, it's good for honey bees and ants, but they are not greedy. Every communist experiment has failed, except the natural living conditions of the indigenous people of the fourth world. And they just don't have a television, radio, or Rush Limbaugh to tell them they are wrong!

Answer 3

The neocons are throwing around words they might't even define, because of the fact they heard Fox, Limbaugh, or another nut use them. i'm going to guarantee you that ninety 9.9 % of the republicans utilising those words have no theory what they actually advise. i've got seen solutions/questions approximately right here the place the comparable individual referred to as Obama a socialist AND a communist, AND a muslim AND a terrorist. Poli-Sci professors could be crying themselves to sleep. EDIT: Bluelotussmells proves my factor. (thank you) a million)the democrats have not been on top of issues, they have a majority-2 thoroughly particularly some issues 2) They created this mess? Which mess Blue? The economic disaster has been numerous years interior the making. The "warfare on terror" is a republican farce orchestrated with the aid of Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. The housing disaster is with the help of republican great company friendly (what else is new) legislations. Any element else i will sparkling up for you?

Answer 4

anyone have any doubt that Europe's most flourishing economy, Ireland, is a socialist country?

you can't say "socialism in its modern form," since that is succumbing to the definitions of others -- you're right, we have no use for modern socialism as defined by conservatives and capitalists... but there isn't a movement in America that represents socialism in the form that conservatives would have you believe is a danger to us. it could be equally argued that we have no current use for the Constitution, since it is so rarely consulted in lawmaking over the last few decades. but it is still the Constitution, and no amount of redefinition will change it.

there are no candidates or elected officials in the federal government that represent true Socialism, but there are some with a few socialist ideals, and that's a good thing -- America, by and large, WANTS equal health care. as a country, we WANT checks on the unrestrained profits that corporations can make on the backs of the suffering and poor. these ideals are not new, but the first political party to represent them were the Socialists. they may be gone, but they are not forgotten.

Answer 5

Even right wing parties have social ( as opposed to Socialist) policies because that is the only way a modern country can operate. Things like health, education, tax breaks research and development in industry, assistance to various industries with things like lower fuel tariffs to encourage them to stay in an area where they are needed, payments to families to support child rearing, and a thousand other things, are all socialist in a sense.
I would love to know what social programs the founding fathers initiated, which you seem to approve of, as opposed to the modern ones you disapprove of.

Answer 6

I'll just add my two bits, but like others have said, the semantics of words and definitions bog down ideas a little too much.

We need to fight people telling other people what to do or how to live their lives.

We need to enforce laws for fair and equitable wages. Greed and sloth can get out of hand if left unchecked (we do need a little to make capitalism work though).

We need to give people the true ability to choose their leaders. The political machine in this country is out of control of normal citizens making us not citizens, but servants.

If you do something that causes no harm to others as defined by society through democracy, then you should be free to do so.

If you do cause harm to someone through your actions as defined by society through democracy, then you should pay a penalty for your actions. The offended people or person should be compensated.

Democracy to make the rules and an executive branch with the power to make sure those rules are maintained.

Just my two bits. I don't care about socialism, republicanism, or communism aspects as long as we all agree to it and are not forced by a small minority of people to accept it. Rules that govern us should be by at least a 2/3rds majority.

Sticking to the rules and enforcing them would take care of guns, corruption, labor, the environment, and the personal pursuit of happiness, and ensuring freedoms are realized.

Answer 7

Well... I am a democrat... always have been.

I will be voting on ONE issue this time:

I want "socialized" healthcare.

Why? Because I can't get a good enough job to pay back my student loans and keep myself alive for another 10 years if I don't get some help. (believe me - I am trying very hard to make ends meet and I don't want to sit around and soak up your taxes... that is what Haliburton is doing.)

Answer 8

Not surprisingly, most of the people who have responded can't see it. In fact, they make excuses, point out other countries, and appear to ask for more government interference into our lives. I can't help but notice that instead of looking at alternatives, they embrace government help and control.

The Democratic party needs to be renamed because, it's been taken over by 'gimmecrats'. As an old time conservative, I understand where you're coming from. I'm having issues with my own party. It appears that fiscal irresponsibility and more government intrusion is becoming epidemic.

I always respect your responses McKenzie, and wish that these people could see where they're headed. Instead, they make excuses. :)

Answer 9

You said that the Founding Fathers created some social programs. Can you be more specific?

Answer 10

a socialist country won't thrive. but a mixed country always does.
we mix republics with democracies. mixing socialism with capitalism would be benefical

the best thing to do is take all the good ideas we can and discard as many bad ones as possible. discounting fascism and theocracies every form of gov has good policies.