Democrats, will you ever stop worrying about why we went into Iraq and start dealing with the problem?

Question

Hillary said it was Bush's war, but she voted for it. Though I am tired of debating whether or not we should have invaded Iraq. The problem is there and we have to deal with it, leaving would just create another Bosnia style massacre. It would turn a low level civil war full blown. If we stay a couple more years, and maybe this government(which has only been in power a year for god's sake!) finally makes some compromises. We have a chance to create a stable government in Iraq, we should not throw it away, and waste all of the blood and treasure that we have already used. Please no Bush or Democrat hating.

I don't base my opinions on their popularity, I base them on what I think is right.

Bobbie J, we aren't at war with Iraq, we are allies of the democratically elected Iraqi government. We are simply helping them fight an insurgency against said government.

My question is only bashing the Democrats for they way they would rather focus on why the war started, then on what we should do now. I equally dislike the way some Republicans who are who are changing their minds for political reasons. I respect your opinion if you think we should leave Iraq tomorrow, but I still think you wrong. The Democrats in congress had access to the same intelligence everyone else did. Hillary was for the war when it was popular, as were the Republican congressmen that have deserted it.

I don't believe the war is or was unjust, but even if you think it was, just because it is doesn't change the fact that we are still fighting it, and that the consequences of our leaving are still the same(see Bosnian reference). But even if you did believe the reason for invading was unjust, that decision should have no impact on our current policy, because the two are not one in the same.

If you have a kid and then decide that it was a mistake, you don't leave it to die. You don't kill it because it was a mistake. Iraq is our baby for better or worse. Again I am not saying not to learn from past mistakes, but those mistakes have no bearing on the present.

Answer 1

You are so right about us Dems constantly bringing up the fact that bush lied and mislead about the war. What is funny is that no Dems even debated the war so they have to drop the lie talk because it only points to there compliance by inaction.

NOW.. the reality is, there is no shot we are putting a stable government in Iraq without following the suggestions put out by the commission. There are three countries there that we are trying to make into one. The only way Saddam kept is as one was with torture, we are doing the same now. We have been there 4 years and the war has been handled terribly from day 1. Mission Accomplished? it just shows that there was no planning and now the only plan is to put more troops.

However, to leave would be dumb, but we have to get the soldiers out of the street and only put them in places where there mission is clear. Train Iraqis, protect their border from insurgents, and help negotiate a peace. We need to stop fighting in the Civil War.

Answer 2

If I remember correctly, the Democrats were bashing Bush's plans just before the last election, and his reponse was "OK...What's your plan?" and there was no answer from the Democratic Party.

I do have an idea though, Why don't we triple our number of troops over a one month period and do a clean sweep of the biggest problem areas then after 6 months we start pulling our troops out and the money we are spending now goes directly to the Iraqi Military , not the government. We are spending the money anyway and if our troops were home the Democrats can't complain about our troops and the money we are spending could help build the Iraqi Military.
There is a catch to the spending though, each person who is a member of the Iraqi Military will get a 50% cut in pay if the violence continues after our troops are pulled out and another 25% per year after that until the violence stops.
When the Iraqi Military starts to understand that they can keep getting money as long as there is no viloence then they will do what they can to destroy the terrorist in Iraq.

Just a thought!

Answer 3

Those Dems were clearly wrong as well. This isn't about political ideology, it's about the decision made by a president of the US to invade another country for erroneous reasons. Those who voted to give him the authority to do so were equally in error--that's the main reason I wouldn't vote for Sen Clinton. The yellowcake that was found in Iraq was known to the IAEA, and is not a WMD in any case, unless it has been either refined into highly enriched uranium, or made into a dirty bomb--neither is the case here. The few mustard and sarin shells found out in the desert were clearly buried during Iraq's war with Iran, and the generals in the know are clearly on the record saying that they are NOT what we went in to find. Just because so many others were also wrong doesn't mean that Bush wasn't wrong as well. And he was the only one with the authority to launch the invasion, therefore the responsibility is his.

Answer 4

A just war would be worth fighting no matter what the current hardships are. An unjust war that was unjustly and unnecessarily started is not worthy of being continued. So, no, it is not a good idea to try to forget why we are in Iraq to begin with. It is an important factor in deciding what to do now and how many more lives and treasure we are willing to sacrifice.

Also, there is no guarantee of a stable Iraq due to our continued presence in "a couple more years." Even then, a stable Iraq will be a Shiite theocracy allied with Iran. That is hardly a compelling goal.

Answer 5

The simple answer (and this is geared towards both parties) is that they won't ever give up or stop worrying, as neither will the ones that are very much for the cause going to stop defending it.

Honestly, IMHO, I don't think it would matter the issue, there will ALWAYS be an argument between the two parties. Similar to young siblings.

The main question is: will they ever NOT think about the up and coming election? You know, like do something REAL!!!!!! not just something that will make the image look better.

Answer 6

The dems didn't vote for this war. They voted for a war waged against weapons of mass destruction. Everyone knows this, just like you do. Your question in itself is retaliatory, which shows that you realize you're arguing a moot point...as are most of the cons who still haven't conceded, and admitted w is killing soldiers for a reason no greater than ZERO.
You say, "No bush or Democrat hating" at the end of your rant, yet you bash Democrats throughout it. Are you trying to lighten the blow? There is no side-stepping what w has done to this country, or Iraq.
Saddam is dead...pat yourself on the back. There are no WMD...do whatever you need to do to try and save face. Let's get the fcuk back to the US and start worrying about things here. Even the siht w didn't fcuk up still need serious attention. Let the Iraqis do their own thing, and let's stop the wetbacks streaming into our country by the thousands. Let's stop hunger in our country (a billion dollars go a lot further providing Ramen Noodles than it does on ammunition).
Come on people. You have to have a human side in there somewhere. Show it, before we kill more soldiers for manufactured reasons.

Answer 7

The vote for war was based up false and misleading information of the George, Dick and Donald. The use of fear after 9-11 the need to strike back with deaths of that day. So what better target than Iraq. This war has been mismanaged since day one and Bush lacks leadership as commander in chief. It is time to bring the troops home.

Answer 8

I don't know really anyone (other than some Y!A posters) who are worrying about why we went into Iraq.

You are correct. The issue is what to do about it now.

Even looking at the past three years, that is still all after "Mission Accomplished". Even the past three years of occupation have nothing to do with why we went there in the first place.

As far as leaving versus staying -- you make valid points. But can you guarantee the problem will be fixed in one year, or three or five? No. Nobody can.

Which means an indefinite unlimited open-ended occupation, with the violence getting worse every month the longer we stay. And it gains us personally absolutely nothing in the process except more debt and more deaths.

There are better solutions.

Answer 9

It's not going the way we planned. Our soldiers are dying for a cause that they don't fully understand. The Iraqis won't step up and take over. They leave it all to America.
I was never for the war. I don't understand why we are at war with Iraq when Afghanistan was the power that destroyed our
Trade Centers.
I agree, though, pull them out and let them fight their own. We should be more focused on protecting our country then those who fight their own.

Answer 10

i think it's called "accountability" and "oversight". how do you learn from mistakes if you don't recognize and examine them? and incompetent and/or greed driven people who cause the deaths and maiming of 100s of thousands of people should answer for the horrible damage they've done.

and news for you ... "We" (meaning America) do NOT have a chance to "create" a stable Iraqi government. that is up to the Iraqis and keeping our troops in the middle of the civil war the Bush admin has unleashed will not motivate the Iraqis to make peace amongst themselves. most Iraqi want the American occupiers out of their decimated country. there are no WMDs, Saddam is dead, they purpled their fingers ... Mission Accomplished... time to go.