Who says we have church/state seperation when our tax dollars support certain religions and or their doctrine?

Question

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/18/education/18abstain.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

Churches approved by the government are not taxed(indirect support) with state and federal dollars being used for so called faith based "charity" as well as teaching religious doctrine as credible science

I do not see one word in my "rant"? that resembles constitution!!
Kennie boy how is it there? has the bush called to pardon YOU yet? it is still approved religion by the IRS standard....numbnut

Flight leader Nice red herring well argued but flawed with certain assumptions....the organizations you mention have endorsed other candidates than those approved by DNC!
the faith based initiative is a slippery slope to religious concentration camps for juvenile offenders under the guise of "boot camps"
and homes for "way ward" mothers so as to prevent abortions and breed citizens as if we stem illegals this countries economic growth based on that false input will stagnate!! so we will need more people already here to stop the party and reproduce like good citizens as the father land needs soldiers to defend it self from encirclement!!

Answer 1

We are /supposed/ to have speparation of church and state, yes. There are murky areas where it's not clear whether a program violates that, though. Legitimate non-proffit organizations are not taxed, and many religious organizations do fall into that category - but so do non-religious ones, and no particular religion is supposedly favored. Focusing a program on 'faith based' charities, OTOH, does presumably favor religious over non-religious organizations, and, even if it doesn't discriminate among religions could still be viewed as against the spirit of the Constitutions prohibition against establishment of religion.

In the case of 'creationism,' what they're actually trying to ram through is 'intelligent design' which is a 'theory' that posits a sentient creator, but does not name it god nor link it to religion. 'Intelligent design,' for instance, would be satisified by alien genetic engineers tampering with life on earth...

Answer 2

I am also opposed to the faith-based initiatives of the President I’m in your corner. But, unlike you, my reasons are based on something other than an irrational fear and hatred of Republicans and Christianity. I am generally opposed to any and all spending of my tax dollars for things not specifically mentioned in the Constitution.

On the other hand, you fail to realize quite a bit on this subject. The US Tax Code, not the President, grants tax-exempt status to churches and non-profit organizations in general. The reasons for this should be obvious. But there are cases wherein organizations fitting these descriptions loose that status. Again, this is based on the Tax Code, not Presidential fiat. For example, when churches and non-profit organizations align themselves with a political party and limit their activity to advocating for that party, they are abusing the objectives of the 503( c ) classification which gives them freedom from taxes. Once they become political organizations, they cannot legally be considered mere churches or non-profit charities.

My only problem is that this law is not actively enforced and is not enforced vigorously. Groups such as NOW, NAACP and labour unions in general are all political organizations openly aligned with the DNC. Yet they are allowed to masquerade as non-profit organizations with no political alignment. This is a mockery of they system and a far greater offense than the President’s faith-based initiatives.

Answer 3

There are 501c3 Church/Charities in every faith and religion imaginable. Please read Thomas Jeferson's letters on Separation. It had to do with 1 Gov. Church.
You just blew up your own rant by not knowing what you were talking about.

Jungong...I asked you to study what a 501c3 is, and that every religion in the world has them in the US. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddist, Hindu, ect...I did not mention the constitution either. I don't commit crimes, I am poining out that your reasoning is faulty and your rant contrdicts itself.
So, by allowing ALL Religions AND charities the 501c3 exemption, how soes that interfere with Separation of Church and State? Private Funding into "Pure Science" is granted the exact same exemption, so what is your point?

Answer 4

So even though the faith-based charities are the most successful the government should ignore them and throw money down the drain on other programs that aren't as efficient? That makes absolutely no sense, its absurd to think that way. I'm sure you also gripe about government waste too.

Answer 5

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Answer 6

Because we have a President that has blurred the lines between democracy and theocracy unlike any of his modern predecessors. The founding fathers would be disgusted by this and so should the American people. We have truly developed into a complacent and ignorant population which should be very frightening.

Answer 7

You make a good point. Catholicism has its hold over many many people, and the pope is a foreign power that has a lot of power in our government. I have been reading about just how much power he has here recently.

Answer 8

Bush and the right wing nuts have done away with that concept. They say there is no separation..just protection that the state would not curb religion, but that religion can control government and should.

Answer 9

Not everybody like to respect that part of the constitution. It's one of the legitimate complaints about the current administration.

Answer 10

This is a violation of the Constitutional principle, not evidence that the principle does not exist.