What's more intrusive - not letting gays marry each other or taking a big chunk of everyone's income?

Question

I'm a registered Libertarian - - I think the gays should be allowed to marry each other. I think the GOP is wrong on that issue.

But between a party that will let the gays do everything the do now but just tell them they can't marry each other, on the one hand, and on the other, a party that wants to take a much larger chunk of everyone's income, every year - - - that just doesn't seem close.

And that's even before considering the regulatory burdens on commerce - - - how much would fuel cost with the surcharges Gore would put in place? What would we have to shell out for those hybrids?

The Democrats seem to want to intrude more deeply into everyone's lives, while the GOP intrudes - wrongly but to a lesser degree - into the lives of a few.

If you're against "Big Brother" I don't see how you can end up voting Democrat.

rerugged the 1st Amendment protects freedom of association - - you don't have to like them and you can think what you want about them. I don't exactly seek them out - but what's the harm to you if they marry each other?

Vaughn, (a) Bill Clinton's economic policy was an aberration - he was Reagan II - - signed welfare reform, expanded free trade, created huge corporate tax loopholes (through regulations - he did that on his own!). Rubin balanced the budget by taking advantage of a sharp yield curve - the Fed was more accommodating then, and short-term rates were lower than long-term rates, so Rubin refinanced longer-term Treasurys with shorter-term Treasurys at lower rates, reducing interest expense, accounting for 99% of the deficit reduction - - this was all outlined in the WSJ at that time, it's not news.

By the way tax REVENUE is SKYROCKETING - - it's just that Bush is SPENDING too much - I agree that's a problem and if it isn't checked it will ultimately intrude on our everyday lives, but right now that intrusion counts for about 25 bps on the long bond.

Westhill a majority of Democrats have opposed every tax cut since the top marginal rate was 70%.

However you define "rich" there are more people who fit that definition than there are people who are gay.

The PATRIOT Act????

Um, yeah, blueridge, I'm familiar with it. If I move more than $10,000 at a time the bank has to report the transaction to the FBI instead of just the IRS. Whooop-de-freakin' do! That's a lot better than not having enough money to be making $10,000 transactions now, isn't it?

Answer 1

I agree with you, strangely enough all my republican and conservative friends would agree with you too (Working nights gives you a lot of free time to talk politics).

Even stranger I have "Liberal" friends who voted against gay marriage.

But ultimately yes Taxes are the greater intrusion in to people's lives. Not only that but generally liberal ideas tend to want a "nanny" state, where the government is ultimately responsible for making sure you are OK and feel good rather the making you independent and self reliant.

Honestly I think th GOP need to drop the whole Gay marriage thing. with out that albatross we could concentrate on real issues.

Answer 2

we all have to pay taxes and they go to good causes.
the surprising things are that while dems typically take more money, they stand up for workers and unions more often (IE people who don't have a lot of money) and the GOP has turned out surplus into a deficit

I can stand paying extra money to help this country, but I can't abide people not having equal rights

(I wish that one democratic senator would put that bill forth stating that the first 10,000 a year a person makes shouldn't be taxed! I can't remember his name, he was introduced as 'not your daddy's democrat' he's from the south. I don't like him on all the issues, but he has a great idea with income tax)

Answer 3

You're kidding, right? Basic human rights have little meaning to you, but by gum, if you have to report your money moving around that is a big deal. Get real! The GOP has been messing around in some very basic human rights, the right to have an abortion, the right for all to marry, regardless of sex, the right to protection from illegal search and seizure and illegal wire taps, etc.

All the Democrats want to do is make sure that the fat cat executives who have thousands of dollars at their disposal pay their fair share of taxes instead of the burden resting on the backs of the working man. Sounds fair to me. And a whole lot less intrusive in my personal life, which apparently has less to do with money than yours does.

Answer 4

Government laws and regulations which directly affect the personal, family and sexual lives of citizens are the ultimate intrusion. Republicans would also like to intrude on the private decisions women make relating to pregancy termination, and this affects millions of women, not just a few.

Democrats do not want a "larger chuck of everyone's income" but they would tax the rich at a higher rate; they would roll back the tax breaks the rich have been given over the last 6 years. We have a huge annual deficit and the national debt, (the entire borrowing of the US for 217 years history), has doubled under 6 years of Bush. It's time to pay the bills by increasing the capital gains tax rate for example. Even Warren Buffet thinks it's unfair that he pays only 15% on the gains from his investment income while his secretary pays 33% on her income.

Answer 5

If the Democrats want "take a much larger chunk of everyone's income every year," why was our deficit at its lowest during the Clinton administration than for decades before and now all the years after? Clinton may have been a hound-dog who cheated on his wife and perjured himself about it, but he BALANCED THE BUDGET. The Republicans are spending money on Bush's war in Iraq as if it grows on trees.

Answer 6

Hillary's claim to tax us until it hurts now so that it will all feel better later, leaves me fearful that the last portion of her statement will never be realized. She has already proven herself to be incapable of making good on her promises as her lay down to everything the HMOs, insurance companies and attorneys wanted during her healthcare reform clearly revealed.

The woman is not to be trusted and her grand ideas are designed and being utilized to sucker the most foolish among us in so that she may once more give financial control over to corporations at the cost of the little people - if only they could figure this much out for themselves, we might be able to avert her guises.

She and Bill hurt us longterm more than any other president to ever hold office and those who don't realize this certainly do deserve to be taken again but what about the rest of us who are being forced to go for the same ride?

It is up to us to stop her in her tracks before she has a chance to attack again.

Answer 7

Obama's greatest Lie is whilst he says: " i'm not a Muslim Sympathizer or a Muslim " Biden's greatest Lie is whilst he stated " it particularly is a Patriotic duty of people to pay greater taxes "

Answer 8

I would describe myself as a Fascist Libertarian so while I would not restrict the rights of homosexuals to pursed their practises in private, I would permit others to discriminate as they wish.
There is no such thing as same-sex marriage. This is merely the redefining of the word marriage. If the homosexual community want to enter a legal partnership, let them but give it a different name rather that hijacking an age old institution.

Answer 9

What makes more sense fiscally, "Tax and Spend", or "Borrow from Communist China and Spend"?

Are you referring to the "Big Brother" aspects of the "Patriot Act"? How can you POSSIBLY talk about Democrats and "Big Brother" the way you do when the last 6 years have seen the almost complete erosion of both civil liberties and personal rights in the US?

It isnt Dems who abandoned the legal doctrine of "Habeas Corpus"'
It isnt Dems who condone the torture of prisoners or enemy combatants or whatever the "term du jour" is now;
It isnt Dems who support and defend warrantless wiretaps on the phones of US citizens;
it isnt Dems who want to view your medical records, a list of the websites you visit or the library books you borrow;
It isnt Dems who are sending young men to Guantanamo Bay for years with no legal counsel and no charges being brough against them, etc.;
It isnt Dems letting Osama bin Laden kill 3,000 people and get away with it. It isnt Dems who arent looking for him anymore.
it isnt Dems giving no bid contracts (speaking of restricitons on Commerce!) to their VPs company, it isnt Dems feeding our soldiers rancid food in Iraq, it isnt Dems sending them there with no body armor.

For a libertarian, you sure sound like a Republican.

Answer 10

Oh, thank you! Thank you! I just sat down with my first cup of coffee, and this is the first question I see! I'm laughing all over the place, the coffee tastes FANTASTIC and my shredded mini-wheats taste like mannah!

You have given me a good start to my day, and I appreciate it.

One just has to guffaw at the mental image of people like you hugging your moldy old money and clutching your diamond tiaras.

Nobody is going to "take any money" from you, pal.

But, hey, if you have any influence? Could you see what you can find out about my 1.2 trillion dollars that Rumsfeld says they "can't account for?"

Thanks.
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Oh, and also? I just read the part about "Democrats seem to want to intrude more deeply" and I almost peed my pants.

Are you on drugs?

Are you familiar with the Patriot Act?
The Military Commissions Act?
The Executive Order signed by bush on this past May 9?

Brother, you could not possibly imagine any more intrusion than this GOP has granted themselves.