George W. Bush fans, please help me out here....?

Question

Okay. I'm not trying to argue with anyone. Clearly, we are a nation divided about the war in Iraq. I'm just curious and I want to direct this question at Bush supporters. Do you still agree with the war? If so, why? What evidence do YOU see (not from the media) our sons and daughters are dying for a good cause?
If you used to support the war and no longer do, why? What changed your mind?
If you are a Bush supporter and never liked the idea of the Iraq war, do you still feel the same way you did before?
I think I'm missing something here and I would like to hear the opinions and theories from Bush fans.
(But anyone is welcomed to respond! Just let me know if you are in W's corner when you post. Thanks!)

Answer 1

I saw this late last night, and waited to answer it. The opposite viewpoint.

I was against the war to begin with, but realize now that we must finish the job.

I am not a Bush Supporter, never was, never will be.

We have changed our reasons for this war at least four times. We never found proof of WMDs - and the UN was telling us they no longer existed, sorry but innocent until proven guilty is the rule here in the US.

We had a tyranical dictatorship in Iraq, but he was under control, to a point at the time of this war. The country was angry and wanted Al Qaeda, but Iraq wasn't the place to go hunting for them. A dictator would never let a power hungry terrorist group exist within his country's borders. With Al Qaeda still in existence we should have stayed focused and kept our left eye on Iraq.

But Once we destroyed the government, causing turmoil, and civil strife, we opened the doors to Al Qaeda, and we even put out the welcome mat. Al Qaeda was looking for a new home after we ruined the good thing they had in Afghanistan.

Iraq was ripe for the picking, no stable government, and plenty of anti-American opinions (not most, but plenty there).
SO, they moved in, began recruiting, drew members from outside of Iraq, and are sitting there waiting to take control of Iraq, as they did in Aghanistan.

We cannot end this war now, we must finish it, and create a strong governement that cannot be usurped by Al Qaeda. Sorry that soldiers are dying, I am totally against war, "lover not a fighter." But look at the situation -

This should have been done prior to starting the war. Iraq is unique in that there are at least five political factions with totally different agendas, basically only a dictatorship could work there (lol). We went in and recreated the American government in a country with many more factions than what we have here. Our style of government won't work. This will take a new type of govenrment - perhaps borderless states - laws that apply to affiliations rather than to geographical locations.

Who knows - I am not Thomas Jefferson, or John Adams, but I do know, the current administration was too eager to begin this war, there should have been more consideration for the political structure of Iraq, and more thoughts about how they could close the deal. This obviously wasn't done.

And now we need to fix the biggest mistake America has ever made.

Answer 2

I was never a fan of this occupation and I am not a fan now.
I also have never been a Bush supporter. But I must say that I am more disappointed with the democratic congress for being insincere and dishonest than I am about anything else. It's obvious that Bush got us into such a mess that there is no way to immediately pull all the troops out. The campaign managers and strategist of Hillary, Barack, John and Bill Richardson have all admitted that none of the candidates if elected would be willing to withdraw all the troops. Each of them privately plan to reduce the amount there while leaving a security force. All the Senatorial debate about it is just a bunch of political posturing. I would prefer it if they would just be honest about their intentions instead of doing all this role playing in order to garner our votes.

Answer 3

No. Take out all of the boilerplate and let someone else draft it. Then start building in the points. Then we might have something to work with. I had issues with points when I read the 'write ups' in the paper, but when I read the bill I realized that a good deal of thought had been put into warping it, and it needs to be scrapped altogether. For starters, it has a caveat for every enforcement provision, many of which don't even apply to people from 'contiguous countries', it has a gratuitous 'sense of congress to excellerate the Security and Prosperity Partnership' he never brought to Congress to discuss to begin with.....It would take a lot of pages to say everything wrong with it. It cuts the fence in half that is already required by law and cuts required border patrol, yet the White House says, and all the press repeats, that it 'enhances border security'. It seems outright dishonest. I think we need a blank pad of paper, to start over.

Answer 4

As a conservative, it is very difficult to be a George Bush supporter. He is not a conservative, but very few Republicans actually are.

As for the war in Iraq, nobody, nobody, nobody...not G. Bush, not the military, not me, not you - NOBODY - ever "liked the idea" of war. Wars, when fought, are fought because they are deemed necessary by our elected representatives. We are at war because our representatives in government deemed it necessary. I don't like being at war. Nobody does. Did I mention that?

It is difficult - almost impossible - for anyone to find true evidence of any progress, failure, victory, defeat, etc., about this war on our own. I think that most opinions about the war are derived from impressions gained from the mainstream media and/or, pre-existing personal opinions about G. Bush, republicans, or war in general. Very few opinions are based on a thorough understanding of all the relavant facts, but instead, are based on emotion and biased or piece meal information.

That said, here's how I view the war on terror: We must win. I know, that's a concept that doesn't get discussed openly. I don't think we've done enough to win. I think we've tried hard to not damage local infrastructure in Iraq, not kill civilians, not upset the local religious leaders, etc. and all that has taken a toll on American soldiers. In the process, though, with American presence, Iraqis have held 5 successful democratic elections (a crazy idea a few short years ago), they are opening up businesses, and schools, and hospitals. They are free (another impossible concept not long ago.) There are no more rape rooms and mass graves being formed. SO, sure there are still people who want to disrupt the democratic process, but there has been progress made.

Regarlsess of how you interpret my comments, I stand by my point that we really don't know what the threat is to America from terrorism. And, we really don't know what's going on in Iraq. No one is really completely trustworthy; the President is trying to bolster support for the war and not telling all the negative stuff, the media is predisposed to telling only the worst in order to damage a Republican president thereby leaving any good news out (lots of history on this; easy to prove), and our Congress has embarrassed themselves by continually trying to undermine the President by trying to defund the war. We're getting messages regularly about how messed up the war is, even that "the war is lost." (Harry Reid, D-Nevada). How are we to make an intelligent decision about the war when we can't get reliable information?

I know this: We cannot let ourselves be attacked again. I think we can agree on that. And, although we can argue the tactics or methods by which it is done, we need a President who will take a strong stand against terrorism. Beyond that, I think it's hard to really say how we thnk the war is going without actually going over there for ourselves.

Answer 5

Well, I hate the idea of just leaving the mess, but I don't really think that we can solve the problem.

A third country can topple a dictator, but we can't make the people live in peace with each other.

I guess I feel we have done all we can. I'd like to see us train the defense force and let the people of Iraq settle thier own problems.

Joe

Answer 6

I support Bush I don't know if people are fans he isn't a football or baseball player. Just funny you used fan to describe his supporters.

I have heard from people over there that we are making progess I tend to trust them more than the media over there.

We have passed 8 and failed 8 benchmarks, and 2 are unsure, we have made some progress there.

The Al Quida Population in Anbar province is almost gone, and I guess some of the people fighting against us have switched sides, this is from intel the President received
AKA people in Iraq not Alway Biased Crap (ABC)

That sounds like progress to me, it has gone slow and there is alot to get done that'sfor sure. Everyone wants them to come home. the notion that he wants troops there, or that this war is for oil is stupid and unfounded. It's really ignorant that people say such a false statement. This war really is for the good of our country and people need to put the country ahead of their political agendas, especially peole like Pelosi, Gore, Clinton, & Reid Etc in congress, who for some reason are starting to convince people that defending our country isn't a good idea.

Answer 7

I don't know a whole lot, so i won't act like i do... but alot of people i know are in Iraq and they are always talking about what great things they're doing and all the people American soldiers have helped and how the liberal media twists everything.

Answer 8

As long as we are killing Al Quadea over there we need to stay. Saddam deserved what he got. He defied the UN, And the US since the first gulf war. If he would of complied with all the conditions that he agreed to we would not be there right now. And I am sick of all these liberals complaining about the president. They tend to forget every liberal senator (except for Feingold and maybe one more) gave Bush the authorization to go ahead with this war. Having another democracy over there will be a good thing. As far as Im concerned Bush is doing great considering his lack of supporters. The dow broke 14000 today and N korea shut down their reactor thanks to all the pressure the were under from us and our allies. But you wont hear any liberals talking about that.

Answer 9

The idea of this being a war is absurd, it seems to be more of an occupation until the iraqi government becomes more stable. I don't support us over there but I do support sunni's and shi'ites fighting each other. It is better they fight there than fight united over here. You know the dems were in support of this war when the polls showed america supported it. So we really can't pin this on just bush.

Answer 10

I'm not in W's corner. I feel that we lost our way really quick. We were just in going in to Afganastan. But we had no grounds to go into Iraq.
BUT...do you hear anything about how it's going in Afganastan? nope. Only Iraq. What happened?
I'm not saying half of my opinions, only my insights. I wouldn't mind half as much if we stayed our original course. But that did not include Iraq.
Saddam was guilty of crimes against humanity, I'll drink to that. Their people should have handled it, not ours.