Why do "We went to the Moon" crowd get so angry when challenged?

Question

There are serious problems with the official declaration that the Apollo missions made it to the moon and that 12 astronauts walked on its surface. Why? Here's a short list: Radiation (Van Allen Belts, solar flares, cosmic radiation), no blast crater from the LM, photographic anomolies (hot spots, shadows, same locations, flag waving, hypergolic fuel problem, camera (too cold, too hot for film), no stars photographed, PLSS support systems not viable, and not to mention that we haven't been back to the moon in 35 years. All this against the advancement of technology respective to the late 60's and early 70's! And, don't give me the BS that the Russians would have blown the whistle on us. The Russians were controlled by the same corporate masters that ruled us! Besides, it is a stated fact that Yuri Gagarin never went up in Vostok I! So, we had the goods on the Soviets and why didn't we blow the whistle? C'mon people, wake up! This is bad science and you won't admit it!!!!!!!!

C'mon people, its your bad science not mine!!!!

Sanders, talk to me about factual information and stop the general whining, pleeeeeeese!

I'll get to the rest of you later. I have an IAAA meeting to go to.

Aside for a couple of general answers on the stars and photography, not one of you have taken the time to answer some of the other anomolies. Now tell me, who are the hacks here? It is indeed very dangerous for you flat-earthers to get past the cognitive dissonance surrounding the Apollo program. For you to even entertain the possibility of it being a hoax flys in the face of unmasking the lie and thusly making your life invalid against the truth. And yes, it is a scary proposition to consider. However, it is an adjustment that is needed in order for mature higher thinking to occurr. Intellectual phase-locking without investigation has enslaved a good many men. Need we talk about what happened to Galileo Galilee?

Please Folks, just because you saw it on TV doesn't make it a reality, now does it? Just because someone saw a rocket take off at Cape Canavral doesn't mean it went to the moon. The Tetra satellite can do just a good a job transmitting what NASA would like us to see and hear. C'mon gang put on your thinking caps. Start by asking logical questions and then ask "Never A Straight Answer", that's NASA, to back up the 35 years of contradictions and lies. Look, this isn't rocket science. It just good ole hard work and investigation. Together we can seperate the signal from the noise. Alright people! Now someone out there tell me why we didn't see red pressurize gas being expelled from the Lem? This Hypergolic fuels to the unintiated. Why wasn't the moon's surface directly under the the LM's descent engine scorched by the 3000 degree heat. Why no blast crater? Why no moon dust on the landing pads of the LM? I'll stop there. See ya in a few.

Thanks Boot McGraw. Eventually, I would have gotten to the Saturn Rocket sham. Hell, I bet these people below don't even know that NASA destroyed all the Saturn Rocket blueprints! This was even mentioned on the Science Times channel!

Answer 1

Because the challenges are so utterly asinine; they are a complete waste of time for everybody involved. There is not the slightest bit of validity to any of them.

Answer 2

People tend to get ticked off when false accusations of fakery and fraud are hurled about with no regard for the facts.

1) Twelve 12 American astronauts have walked on the moon.

Apollo 11: Neil Armstrong & Buzz Aldrin
Apollo 12: Pete Conrad & Alan Bean
Apollo 13: << failed to land on the moon >>
Apollo 14: Alan Shepard & Edgar (Ed) Mitchell
Apollo 15: David Scott & James Irwin
Apollo 16: John Young & Charles Duke
Apollo 17: Eugene (Gene) Cernan & Harrison Schmidt


2) Why haven't we been back?

a) American astronauts visited the moon on six occasions.

b) The "moon race" was an extension of the cold war. It was mostly about national prestige. We got there first and achieved our primary objective. There was some good science: surveys, measurements, sample collection. But it was mostly about being there first. Once we achieved our primary objective, there was no political will to go back. There still isn't. Perhaps, if we discover He3 or something else valuable, there will be.

c) I used to travel to Crested Butte, Colorado every year to ski. Because I don't go anymore, does it mean that I never went?


3) What about the Van Allen radiation belts? Wouldn't it have killed the astronauts?

The existence of the Van Allen radiation belts postulated in the 1940s by Nicholas Christofilos. Their existence was confirmed in *1958* by the Explorer I satellite launched by the USA.

The radiation in the Van Allen radiation belts is not particularly strong. You would have to hang out there for a week or so in order to get radiation sickness. And, because the radiation is not particularly strong, a few millimeters of metal is all that is required for protection. "An object satellite shielded by 3 mm of aluminum will receive about 2500 rem (25 Sv) per *year*."

"In practice, Apollo astronauts who travelled to the moon spent very little time in the belts and received a harmless dose. [6]. Nevertheless NASA deliberately timed Apollo launches, and used lunar transfer orbits that only skirted the edge of the belt over the equator to minimise the radiation." When the astronauts returned to Earth, their dosimeters showed that they had received about as much radiation as a couple of medical X-rays.


4) The U.S. government scammed everyone?

In 1972, there was a politically motivated burglary of a hotel room in the Watergate Hotel in Washington, D.C. There were only about six or eight people who knew about it. However, those people, including Richard M. Nixon, the President of the United States, failed to keep that burglary a secret. It exploded into a scandal that drove the President and a number of others from office.

If six or eight people couldn't keep a hotel room burglary a secret, then how could literally thousands of people could have kept their mouths shut about six faked moon landings? Not just one moon landing, but six of them!


5) What about the USSR?

Even if NASA and other government agencies could have faked the six moon landings well enough to fool the general public, they could NOT have fooled the space agency or military intelligence types in the USSR. The Soviets were just dying to beat us. If the landings were faked, the Soviets would have re-engineered their N-1 booster and landed on the moon just to prove what liars Americans are. Why didn't they? Because the landings were real and the Soviets knew it.


6) Why does the flag shake? Where are the stars? Who took the video of Neil Armstrong?

On the subject of stars, take a look at the first link. Sorry, but there *are* stars in that photo. For the rest, visit "badastronomy" and "clavius". They deal well with all of the technical questions.


7) Finally, please tell us what you would accept as definitive evidence that the six moon landings were real. Is there anything?

Answer 3

Snow Bear, get this straight and don't be foolish about it any more, okay? The basic technology required for a manned flight to the moon was developed in Germany in the late 1930s through the mid 1940s. This technology needed a lot of refinement to make a safe manned flight a reality.

We worked on that technology through the 1950s and 60s, and made the first manned moon flight in 1969. It all fits together, and if you read all the history and don't let the wackos lie to you, it will be impossible for you to continue to be fooled into believing that the moon missions did not take place.

The American people were much better educated and more intelligent in the 1960s and 70s than they are now, and it would never have occurred to NASA engineers and managers that 35 years later a bunch of ignorant dolts with nothing to do would come up with a stupid conspiracy theory stating that the moon landings were faked.

If that had occurred to them, I suspect the engineers would have gone to the trouble to create a larger and more visible object of proof, to compensate for the decline in the quality of the American mind and its education that occurred during and after the Reagan presidency.

But there is a real physical proof available. The astronauts who landed on the moon left behind reflectors that are used every day by astronomers to measure the irregularities of the moon's orbit. This is done by bouncing laser beams off reflectors at known locations that were left by the astronauts. Ask your science teacher for information about these experiments. You can arrange to see this done with your own eyes.

Let me put the question to you this way: If you think the moon landings were faked, when did they become "fake?" When did the idea become popular that NASA had invented the idea of an imaginary moon mission and created a huge technological empire to fool people? When was all this fakery done? In the 60s? 70s? 80s?

And why? What was the point? And how did they fool all the people that reported the news, operated the machinery, built the moon rockets, and watched them take off and land?

Do you realize that one American in 500 was a part of the Apollo program? Millions of them are still alive. Are they fooling you? Why? If you go out to a football game, look around you. In the stadium there are people who worked on the Apollo program.

Ask around. You are surrounded by people who know for sure that American astronauts stood on the moon more than 35 years ago.

Answer 4

I'm not angry. Perhaps a little sad because:

1. I watched the Apollo 17 launch from the press section 3 miles away (next to the VAB) and felt the ground shake as the equivalent of a 35 story building got up and flew away. I may be mistaken, but I don't think I saw you there.
2. I watched the coverage on television as much as I could and saw the press corps struggling to explain things that I understood and you don't.
3. When I learned orbital mechanics I discovered that the dynamics were not that difficult; what was tough was providing the assurance and the backups so that nothing went wrong that could not be dealt with in another way.
4. When I learned to fly in the Air Force I understood that (as my instructor said) " I could teach a chimp to fly if I had enough bananas." Perhaps overstated, but there's nothing impossible about it - again, the hard part is not doing something dumb that causes death.
5. I watched in amazement as our political leaders squandered the jump start that we made - not because of simple technical problems, but because we could not generate the national will to spend a tenth of what we spend on social welfare to continue the work that was initiated in those heady days.

I sense a political motivation in your diatribe that has nothing to do with science, technology, or the guts it took to undertake the effort in the first place. You have not done your homework in a sufficiently objective manner to allow the truth to enter as a possible option. To paraphrase Dr Jacob Bronowski - consider it possible that you could be mistaken.

And don't tell me it was fake. I was there. I know guys that worked in the program. You don't know what you're talking about.

Answer 5

In this forum we sometimes see illiteracy, and incoherency of a magnitude unimaginable by me - until I see it. Your questions are literate; words are generally spelt correctly, and coherent. But I find yet another form of stupidity.

I won't address each question, because I have read their answers elsewhere on the net. Look firstly at badastronomy.com as it addresses most of your questions. Then look at the Top 10 list which has a list of the 10 stupidest questions about the moon landing. NASA also have several pages dedicated to idiots who, after all this time, cannot fathom an intellect greater than their own (when in fact it represents most people around them).

Your biggest problem is that you haven't done a molecule worth of research. I have seen every single point raised before, and have seen rebuttals from scientists, engineers, technicians and people who worked on the moon launches.

Also, anyone who has tried to keep a secret knows just how hard it is when only 3 or 4 people know it. In this case you would have had thousands of people, all keeping quiet. And we know this simply doesn't happen. Ask Richard Nixon about his experiences.

Better brains than yours have looked at the evidence and found it satisfying. Experienced radio engineers, photographers, doctors, designers, engineers, geologists, ad nauseum. If there was a hidden agenda, it WOULD have been found. You ask for an open mind on this. You have had it with my mine (puny as it is alongside the intellectual giants who created the moon missions). I have looked, listened to the arguments, and with that open mind, deduced that the evidence overwhelmingly supports the claims.

Do your research. When you have had 80% of your questions answered (and they will be IF you have an open mind), come back then with the few you cannot understand and address those specifically. I know most of your questions have been answered elsewhere. Find and understand them. If you need help understanding some obscure point, ask then. But don't publicly vaunt your ignorance, and your fear of those who intellectually eclipse you.

Answer 6

Why you ask? Because you are belittling one of the greatest acheivements of mankind - you're putting down humanity itself, insulting your very own species.

Your so called 'serious problems' have been refuted time and time again, yet you continue to hold on and go against all rational thought.

Think about it - why didn't the Russians send their manned mission to the moon? (they were on the verge of doing so). Coming second to capitalist America is not a communist ideal - the might of the Soviet nation crushed by admitting capitalism beat communism. Not only would it have destroyed the Soviet government, it would have been bad propaganda.

Speaking of propaganda - if it was all fake wouldn't the Soviets blow the whistle? Perfect chance to deal a crippling blow to capatalism at the height of the Cold war. It would have given them an edge mentally in the hearts of the people and expose America as a sham of a nation. It would have been win win.

You people are an insult to the spirit human endeavour.

Answer 7

The "We went to the Moon" crowd don't get defensive. We get irritated. I can see how you'd get the two confused.

The reason we get irritated is because the only "evidence" you have against the Apollo program is based on a poor grasp of science. You fail to understand basic concepts even a high school freshman should know.

For example, why were there no stars in the photos? Because the photos were taken in the daytime, with daytime exposure settings. Stars are faint objects. It takes an exposure of several seconds to photograph a star. Don't take my word for it; ask any photographer.

We get irritated because no matter how many times we correct your mistakes and debunk your allegations, tomorrow some new fool will pop out spouting the same garbage verbatim.

Answer 8

You ask why the "we went to the moon" people get so angry, yet as I read your rantings you get more angry as you go along. Your "short list of reasons" are inaccurate or ignorant of simple science, scienctists even in the 1960's knew (or learned during the moon missions) the truth about the Van Allen belts, any photographer (even on Earth) can explain no stars in the pictures and the anomalies you list. And if you did any real research you'd know your other reasons don't hold up under current physics knowledge.
Since you obviously weren't around in the 1960's, I guess to you that was all ancient history - no phones, no lights, no motorcars, as primitive as it could be.

So if you want to rant and rave about simple things you don't understand and aren't willing to research for yourself, then that's your right as a citizen of a free nation. And I will defend your right to be stupid.

Answer 9

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Answer 10

Face it, Snow Butt, you're a flaming idiot. You are spouting nonsense without ever having sought the truth, only to bolster your own fragile ego. You know that recurring dream you have about flying around like magic, having a blast, sometimes naked, then all of a sudden, you're surrounded by electrical wires? It means that your mind knows that you are not as intelligent as you think you are. Get a life if you can't at least get a brain.

Answer 11

If you think we get angry, can you imagine how one of the actual astronauts feels after sweating his balls off in simulators for years, putting his life on the line atop a 360 foot rocket, with enough fuel underneath to immitate a small atom bomb if it blew up on the pad.

Then to take the leap from Earth’s orbit into the nothingness of space, and later to negotiate a horrendously tricky landing on a terrain full of holes, rocks, and talcum powder surface, any of those threatening a slow death if the lander fails to land upright. Then to chance the once only firing of the rockets to get back up to the control module – misfire, and he is doomed,

After finding the correct path for re-entry (couple degrees out and he goes off into space forever, or re-enters too steep and cooks), he faces the horrifying inferno of re-entry, hoping the module keeps its heat shields facing forward, otherwise he is cooked. And finally, when he has survived all that, he prays the chutes will open, otherwise he will be splattered all over the ocean.

Can you imagine then, some twirp with half a brain, never done anything worthwhile in his life but look for silly conspiracies where they don’t exist, coming up to him and saying he thinks it all a fraud. Can you imagine that. I can’t.

Can you imagine how the guys who spent most of their waking moments for 8 years to develop a lander light enough to take to the moon, while being strong enough and manouverable enough to actually land safely on that totally alien surface, and have enough power available to get off again. How do you think they feel?

Thousands devoted their lives to Apollo and it is an insult to of the highest order to all of them to proliferate this totally unscientific garbage.

Sadly, the arguments that the hoaxers put up sound scientific to the largely ignorant and unread public, but to anyone who has any basic science, or is willing to read the real history, it is absolute nonsense.