Why do Democrats want our troops to fail in Iraq?

Question

I know that some people on The Hill have already proclaimed that our efforts in Iraq have failed, but why do Democrats (and Liberals) want us to lose the war? Last time I checked, surrendering was just another word for defeat.

Isn't it scary to you that the Left wants our troops to lose so that the Democrats can make political gain? Believe it or not, no one enjoys war. Everyone would love to have our boys home. And please, spare us the argument that we shouldn't have gone to Iraq in the first place. We're there now, so until we invent a time machine, please refrain from those comments.

"Let him who desires peace prepare for war." -Vegetius

Some of you might like to know what there is to "win". How about peace and stability? And for Iraq to be ruled under a leader who doesn't gas his own people.

Some of you might also blame our leaders. Yes, they did poorly plan the Iraq war. But again, you're reverting back to the same argument that is pointless. There were probably some mistakes made, but we are there now. You can replace "our troops" with "American soldiers" or "the U.S. military" if that makes blue hearts feel a little better.

Now can a Democrat and/or Liberal answer my question please?

I really don't like cliches like "stay the course" because it doesn't give an explanation for why we should stay in Iraq.

Again, I have never denied that there may have been some mistakes made in the past, but it would be irresponsible to leave Iraq when there is still a lot of violence going on there. Trying to fix the problem rather than running from it has nothing to do with honor. It has everything to do with being responsible.

By the way, I've gotten a good laugh from the frustration that many of you have exuded because you can't make an argument of going into Iraq in the first place. It's easy to play Monday Morning Quarterback. However, the great majority of Americans were for this war until it got more complicated.

Oh great, see what I've done? Now I'm going to get the conspiracy theories about how Bush and Powell knowingly "lied" and Halliburton is the devil and how we wanted their oil, blah blah blah.

Just because I don't believe in surrendering at this point in the war doesn't mean I blindly support everything Bush does. The Amnesty Bill comes to mind first.

I also heard something about the humvee armor. It was Clinton who made millions of dollars in military budget cuts and drastically reduced the size of our military. You can blame him for that. This is also a different kind of warfare where there isn't an enemy with a uniform across the battlefield. IED's aren't something that are easy to prevent.

According to your logic frugernity, I guess I really do blindly support everything Bush does. Thanks for letting me know. He/She must not know that I am also anti-igloo. Sorry about that. Although I'm sure that since your brilliant hypothetical took place in Arizona, I wouldn't be surprised if Sen. McCain tried to build an igloo in the desert by crossing the aisle and getting the support of Feingold and Kennedy.

Answer 1

Yes.
The Democrats' Goal is to help the Terrorists to Defeat the USA.

The Democrat Party believes that if we get Defeated and the Terrorists win, it will get them More Votes in 2008.
More Votes equals: More Power & More Money.

Answer 2

"Staying the course" and fighting a loosing battle is just as lame an excuse as saying we shouldn't have gone in the first place. I agree that we can't invent a time machine and change the past, but by the same token those who support the war don't have a crystal ball and can't predict a positive outcome for the future.

Do the right want our troops to stay and die so that the Republicans can make political gain?

Your argument sounds to me like a "Death before dishonor" kind of thing, the only problem is that this war is bringing us both.

I agree with you that we can't just up and leave. But somewhere between that far left sentiment and the far right sentiment (that we should stay indefinitely) there is a better, more diplomatic answer. Violence begets violence. We are not by any stretch of the imagination doing much of anything to quell the death and violence in Iraq and every time we fire a bomb or a gun we only add to it, no matter how we try to quanlify or justify it. Sometimes the real victory is in accepting defeat and moving on from that.

Answer 3

I don't want Santa to be a myth, but I'm an adult now and I need to face up to the fact that he is. By your logic that makes me anti-Santa because I'm not "supporting Santa".

The Democrats (and a growing number of Republicans) are just recognizing that (A) the war was a terrible idea and (B) there's not even any definition of what "victory" would look like.

The only question now is how many more Americans will we sacrifice so that Bush's massive ego can be spared a while longer. Personally, I think 15 to 25 a day killed or injured for over 4 years is about 15 to 25 a day too many.

And I love that you prohibited responses saying that the war was a bad idea from the beginning, as if that is irrelevant. I suppose if Bush had started a project to build igloo communities in Arizona you would support that indefinitely too. And I'd be labeled a defeatist for pointing out that it gets up to 120 degrees there and ice might not be the best building material to be using. And as the construction workers died (of both frostbite and sunstroke) you would continue "supporting" them by sending more to replace the ones that died.

Answer 4

Because the president was once no longer wholly sincere approximately the conflict. It is a civil conflict now, which has been happening for century. No one desire to make our president seem unhealthy " for the reason that as an American he's my president". If I was once you I could quit studying newspaper articles, watching at TV information exhibit and seem at this govt you're going to uncover each events have quandary. If you desire to speak approximately some thing what approximately the Veteran who've Fourth in wars and must wait years to get their advantages. Read the inscription at the Veteran Affairs constructing in Washington and you'll be able to recognize the sport that's performed at the provider character and veteran. You must recognize no bid contracts and who made cash at the conflict. Off the lives of younger guys and ladies and such a lot of folks in in nation feel that freedom is loose. It isn't.

Answer 5

I am still unclear on what war we are fighting in Iraq. We won the war, we are losing the occupation. It was a bad plan. We should have never disbanded the Iraq army. Anyway, The war isn't ours to lose. It is really the Iraqi peoples war now. They needed to get their act together and they failed. They already said we can leave anytime we want. Lets leave and send the troops to Afghanistan where they are needed.

Answer 6

1. Cardinals are silently celebrating our World Series victory. How are the Braves doing? One World Series during all those division titles? Embarassing.
2. Rams are improving. 8-8, 6th ranked offense. Led by Steven Jackson. How are the Falcons? No QB, NO Wr's, No recent Super Bowl wins or appearances, No offense besides your Dog fighting QB who sucks.
3. NHL is stupid. Any team can be good any time. Its a dying sport for a reason.

So, as I see it, Atlanta is doing worse than STL. STL- many clutch sport stars, many good role models.
ATL- Dog fighting, bird flipping, tobacco chewing rednecks. Yep, Atl sucks a**. STL>ATL.

Answer 7

Yada, yada.....

What we want is for them to come home....they are dying for NOTHING and are in the middle of a huge civil war that is getting worse every day.

" I do not believe war the most certain means of enforcing principles. Those peaceable coercions which are in the power of every nation, if undertaken in concert and in time of peace, are more likely to produce the desired effect."

Thomas Jefferson

Answer 8

lol ok....considering the troops have to buy their own equipment for the last 5 years because Mr Bush doesn't spend enough money on body armor...I remember watching the Military channel where the guys went out to a junk yard to find steel sheets to put it on the humvees for makeshift armor....I guess thats supporting the troops the republican way
How many times do you see "whats the best body armor" in the military section? I see too many.

I guess you didnt read about the Cheetah or the Cougar armored vehicle where it can withstand IED attacks because it was designed for mine fields but they only have 20 of them and the budget is too strict to order more

Answer 9

When will you realize that this is not a winnable endeavor? It is a religious war and now has turned into a civil war. The differences need to be worked out by the people who live there and our troops need to come home so that they quit dying needlessly.

Answer 10

We should have taken over Iraq instead of liberating them

Answer 11

Okay, so why do Republicans want our troops to die? Really, this false stuff you claim is getting old. Stereotyping will get you nowhere.