Universal Health Care. Is this what it means?

Question

Page after page of people waiting for surgery? You know, folks.. that *free* stuff?
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-47,GGLD:en&q=surgery+waiting+list

Your opinion, please. :)

Answer 1

That is what it will mean if we do it the way Hillary proposed it the first time. I prefer the Mitt Romney plan. Identify those who have no insurance and see what can be done about getting them coverage. Not scrapping the whole system and turning it over to Federal bureaucrats.

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Answer 2

Suthrn, did you read any of these? The one from Perth features news of wait times that "continue to FALL".... A British Columbia snippet stresses that emergency surgeries occur without delay.

I saw "Sicko" last night and I'm sickened by the opposition to making health care universally available.

Among the matters illustrated in the movie is that health care is available OUTSIDE of the national systems in Britain and Canada - but most people, including upper middle class people, opt for the national systems, even for childbirth. Several expat Americans vouched for the quality of care they'd received in foreign health care systems.

I personally can vouch for the health care system in Japan - amazingly efficient, and I paid six bucks a month to be covered - that's the gaijin (foreigner) rate... Japanese pay nothing.

Why the scare tactics?

[added] Weezingeezer - Scare scare scare! You make a claim and don't support it, while there is incontrovertible data that refutes your point entirely. You don't think we pay through the nose today? Some $3200 of every American make of car is for health care, passed through to the consumer - foreign car makers don't have that problem (and don't say that US plants of Japanese car makers do - the Japanese worldwide position facilitates cross-subsidization). Speaking of Japanese auto makers, in fact, US states can't even land an auto plant even with offers of ZERO corporate taxes - they've lately been building instead in Ontario, where healthcare is a government, not a company, expense.

If you want facts to research, go to http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/ and look at the facts page. No, don't roll your eyes and groan in a Pavlovian huff, "Michael Moore's a socialist" - go to the page and READ. If you want to refute his facts, find some of your own and do so. I'm more than happy to read an intelligent retort - but I have no patience for baseless claims about costs that are simply unfounded in the experience of countries that offer universally available health care.

Answer 3

Nope. I am curious why so many folks want to bash something that we don't have in this country. Why do we assume that we couldn't make this work??

My conservative in-laws just returned from a trip to Norway. They couldn't stop talking about what a great country it was and the universal health care those folks have.

And why do people assume that our version of universal health care would not include private health insurers???

And do we all really believe that our employers in corporate America will continue to foot the bill for our health care...???

Not likely people...

Answer 4

>Page after page of people waiting for surgery?<

Only in your mind! Just another ploy in the conversative bag of disinformation to maintain the class warfare struggle.

Why shouldn't the poor have healthcare?

Answer 5

We are not talking about Universal Health Care (where the government provides the product). We are talking about Universal Health Insurance where the product is still provided by independent doctors and hospitals but the government provides the insurance to help pay for it. This is already provided to our senior citizens under Medicare. And the Medicare program has not nationalized or socialized health care or delayed health care.

Answer 6

Why not affordable health care insurance, are you against that? We have got to have a way for our seniors and less fortunate to get health care, do you not agree, if your grandfather works hard all of his life and has a nice retirement saved up then grammy gets sick with cancer, gramps is going to have to spend his future to save grammy, do you know how much a 2 year battle with cancer will cost? A cool million dollars, so when grampy is broke are you going to spend your retirement on grammy or is she out on her a.s.s???

Answer 7

You do know that those same things have happened in the U.S as well. I've waited for 6 months for a referal to a specialist for kidney problems. It had to go through the insurance approval process. But people with medicare and medicaid see doctors right away. They have universal health care.

Oh, BTW, my husband is on a waiting list to have a his foot which is causing him alot of pain looked at by a podiatrist. It's been 2 months and he's called back twice. They are still out on the issue.

Answer 8

This has been noted before, but the proponents of universal health care choose to ingnore it, and that is, if you think health care is expensive now, just wait 'till it's free.
I don't know what it takes to get the point across, but everbody's going to pay through the nose for it.

Answer 9

Listen, there are these things called germs, they seem to affect the poor who can't pay for the prevention or treatment of them. Then, they end up with the short end of the stick.

On the other end, the rich get away with whatever, risk their necks pointlessly, and get the medicine... without having ever had to deal with the same problems suffered by the poor.

There is your democracy.

Answer 10

Yes, you would be on a waiting list for breast implants, sex change operations, face lifts, and any other elective surgery as the list implies on your search.