What is the logic in cons believing a minority of scientists over the overwhelming majority who support...?

Question

man made global warming?

I don't see any logic in it. The only reason they come up with EXCUSES and CONSPIRACY THEORIES is because the scientific consensus is against them just like it is on evolution, stem cell research, in vitro-fertilization, birth control pills.

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LIST OF THE TEN MOST WELL ESTABLISHED US EARTH SCIENCE SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATIONS ON MADE MADE GLOBAL WARMING:

1) THE AMERICAN GEOPHYSICAL UNION, FOUNDED IN 1919, OVER 45,000 MEMBERS
"Human activities are increasingly altering the Earth's climate. These effects add to natural influences that have been present over Earth's history. Scientific evidence strongly indicates that natural influences cannot explain the rapid increase in global near-surface temperatures observed during the second half of the 20th century.
http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/climate_change_position.html

2) THE U.S. NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCE (ALONG WITH THE NAS OF THE G8 NATIONS), FOUNDED IN 1863, OVER 2,000 MEMBERS, OVER 200 NOBEL PRIZE MEMBERS
"There is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities. The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify nations taking prompt action.
http://www.academie-sciences.fr/actualites/textes/G8_gb.pdf

3) THE GEOLOGICAL SOCIETY OF AMERICA, FOUNDED IN 1888, OVER 20,500 MEMBERS
"The Geological Society of America (GSA) supports the scientific conclusions that Earth’s climate is changing; the climate changes are due in part to human activities; and the probable consequences of the climate changes will be significant and blind to geopolitical boundaries.
http://www.geosociety.org/aboutus/position10.htm

4) THE AMERICAN CHEMICAL SOCIETY, FOUNDED IN 1876, OVER 160,000 MEMBERS
"There is now general agreement among scientific experts that the recent warming trend is real (and particularly strong within the past 20 years), that most of the observed warming is likely due to increased atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations, and that climate change could have serious adverse effects by the end of this century."
http://www.chemistry.org/portal/resources/ACS/ACSContent/government/statements/2004_statements/2004_07_global_climate_chg_env.pdf

5) THE AMERICAN METEOROLOGY SOCIETY, FOUNDED IN 1919, OVER 11,000 MEMBERS
"Despite the uncertainties noted above, there is adequate evidence from observations and interpretations of climate simulations to conclude that the atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warming; that humans have significantly contributed to this change; and that further climate change will continue to have important impacts on human societies, on economies, on ecosystems, and on wildlife through the 21st century and beyond."
http://www.ametsoc.org/POLICY/2007climatechange.html

6) THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE, CREATED IN 1988, HUNDREDS OF SCIENTISTS FROM OVER 130 NATIONS
"Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely (defined in footnotes as greater then 90% likelyhood) due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations. Discernible human influences now extend to other aspects of climate, including ocean warming, continental-average temperatures, temperature extremes and wind patterns"
http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf

7) THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF SCIENCE, FOUNDED IN 1848, SERVES 262 AFFILIATED SOCIETIES AND ACADEMIES OF SCIENCE FOR A TOTAL OF 10 MILLION INDIVIDUALS
"The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society. Accumulating data from across the globe reveal a wide array of effects: rapidly melting glaciers, destabilization of major ice sheets, increases in extreme weather, rising sea level, shifts in species ranges, and more. The pace of change and the evidence of harm have increased markedly over the last five years. The time to control greenhouse gas emissions is now."
http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/climate_change/mtg_200702/aaas_climate_statement.pdf

8) THE NOAA'S NATIONAL CLIMATIC DATA CENTER PALEOCLIMATOLOGY PROGRAM, FOUNDED IN 1992, HAS THE LARGEST ARCHIVE OF CLIMATE AND PALEOCLIMATE DATA
"Many scientists have now concluded that global warming can be explained by a human-caused enhancement of the greenhouse effect. It is important to remember both that the greenhouse effect occurs naturally, and that it has been intensified by humankind's input of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere."
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/what.html

9) THE NATIONAL CENTER FOR ATMOSPHERIC RESEARCH, FOUNDED IN 1960, OVER 120 MEMBERS, SERVES OVER 62 PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS INCLUDING UNIVERSITIES AND RESEARCH CENTERS
"Together, these data show that Earth's surface air temperature has risen more than 1.1°F (0.7°C) since the late 1800s. This warming of the average temperature around the globe has been especially sharp since the 1970s. Global models at NCAR have simulated 20th century climate and found three main factors at work:
1) Solar activity contributed to a warming trend in global average temperature from the 1910s through 1930s.
2) As industrial activity increased following World War II, sun-blocking sulfates and other aerosol emissions helped lead to a slight global cooling from the 1940s to 1970s.
3) Since 1980, the rise in greenhouse gas emissions from human activity has overwhelmed the aerosol effect to produce overall global warming."
http://www.ucar.edu/research/climate/warming.jsp

10) THE NASA'S GODDARD INSTITUTE FOR SPACE STUDIES, FOUNDED IN 1961, SPECIALIZES IN SPACECRAFT OBSERVATIONS AND GLOBAL CLIMATE MODELS
"A new NASA-funded study used a computer climate model to simulate the last 50 years of climate changes, projects warming over the next 50 years regardless of whether or not nations curb their greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions soon. If no emission reductions are made and they continue to increase at the current rate, global temperatures may increase by 1-2º Celsius (1.8º-3.6º Fahrenheit). But if the growth rate of carbon dioxide does not exceed its current rate and if the growth of true air pollutants (things that are harmful to human health) is reversed, temperatures may rise by only 0.75C (1.35F)."
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20020919/

Answer 1

Ummm probably because there is plenty of evidence to show the planet goes though cycles of climate change...

Ever hear of the little ice age (1300ad-1800ad)? Look it up.

Do you know one of the contributing factor of the collapse of the Babylonian empire around 6000bc? Give you a hint, that area in Iran and Iraq has only been a desert for about 8000 years.

How about the fall of the Mayan empire?

The reason Vikings left Greenland?

Why could England no longer grow grapes after 1300ad?

Why is solar out put currently on the rise (We are currently in a phase called a Maximum that is expected to end between 2112 and 2120) but is not considered in most "Global warming" studies?

Why did the great basin area of northern California become grassland 10000 years ago, when it had been a wetland up to that point?

Here is something to consider, the climate is not static. I can use historical, geological and archaeological evidence to show there have been dramatic and sudden climate changes constantly both during and before the rise of humans.

Your scientists are on grants, they have every thing to lose, and maybe some even belive what they say, but I just listed several key events and places that stand in the face of the idea of man made climate change.

Why do you think just because we are opposed to the idea of "man made climate change" we are ignorant of facts?

feel free to look up what I mentioned, you might be surprised at how what hapened then, looks like what is happening now.

Answer 2

Its very odd that people have such a hard time wrapping themselves around global warming but even after George comes right out and says Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 people still connect the dots somehow and blame Iraq for 9-11.
There is this I am Always right philosophy that permeates our society .
Like a computer that is filled with bad information ,no matter what you ask , it still gives the wrong answer .

Since people do tend to agree that Global warming is real ,that there is sufficient data to conclude man is contributing to the problem ,the only possible "out " for stubborn ,thick headed , misinformed people is to call it a theory like evolution so they can then tear some fractional part of the argument away so they feel justified in their position that A cycle of increased activity on the sun is responsible and man only plays a .0048% of the warming .

Answer 3

I am not liberal or conservative. I have a lot of conservative views and I have some liberal views. Unfortunately, the political climate today seems to call for making everything a con/lib issue; it really flabbergasts me why the environment is included into this war of ideaoligies... this should be treated as science.

This is my take on global warming. It looks like most scientists are unified that global warming is real. I think we ahould take them seriously and change our policies to take action..... IF they are wrong (and I think there is a possibility that they could be wrong) and we change our policies then so what??? What does it hurt to change for this possibility???
The alternative is to do nothing or increase our energy consumption and maybe nothing will happen BUT if these scientists are right then our stubborness could destroy our current way of life... I don't see why we want to gamble; it makes sense to me to change. I would rather be wrong than my children inheriting the world that these scientists predict.

Answer 4

It is because all those scientists have been tainted by Al Gore. Don't you know that scientists are so easily swayed and do not pay attention to facts? You see, most scientists are really dumb, and can only repeat what is spoon fed to them by the liberal media.

The only smart scientists are the ones who do not believe in global warming.



"Problem is Trav, is that many of those same orgs 20 years ago swore that we were entering an ICE AGE due to "human influences"."

Very few scientists ever said that. It was from a story in Newsweek and the general populace started believing it. It was not a generally accepted view in the scientific community.

Answer 5

Look at who funds this research.
That may shed some light on the disbelief.
Empirical science is not based on consensus.
These guys can't predict next weeks weather accurately. What makes you think they can predict the state of the earth years down the road?
There are too many variables to base the man made global warming assumption on empirical scientific fact.

Answer 6

The logic is

1st of all, Kepler, Copernicus, et. al were the minorities in their time, and science is never about consensus. Science is about causality.

2nd, why is Mars getting warmer? Why are the polar caps melting on Mars?

3rd, what is the relationship of the solar emf field to the Terran emf field as respects to cosmic rays and stratospheric cloud cover conditions?

4th, why is Antarctica getting colder? Why is the ice of Antarctica getting thicker on average, and why is the mass of Antarctica increasing whilst the Northern caps decrease?

5th, what is the relation of the faster than normal movement of the northern magnetic pole have to do with changing global climate?

These questions as of yet have not been applied to the GLOBAL warming analysis. Initial tests have not proven in a lab what observed data argues. Hence, man made GLOBAL warming still has yet to prove causality.

Good science needs critical minds, not consensus. Madame Thatcher once stated "Show me consensus and I will show you a lack of leadership."

Answer 7

Who is causing global warming on Mars? Martians?

Back in the 70's these same groups were telling us we were heading for another Ice Age.

Why don't libs learn from their past mistakes?

Answer 8

Problem is Trav, is that many of those same orgs 20 years ago swore that we were entering an ICE AGE due to "human influences".

Hey... Whoever sends them money.....

Answer 9

I don't know. They are so angry with this issue and I have no idea why.
Even if you don't believe in Global warming what is so wrong with taking care of the earth?

Answer 10

gee do you think scientists need jobs?

study the effects of an arbitrary domain..and command big
bucks to go to algore's party..

sounds reasonable to me..but you guys all think doing nothing is one of the rights..of the public sector..