Since when did christian values and common sense become a BAD thing?

Question

What is so horrible about staying in school, following the rules, graduating, going on to college, getting a good job, meeting the right person, falling in love, starting a relationship, getting married in a church, earning a decent living doing something you worked hard to become, buying a home, paying your taxes, and starting a family, and honoring your commitments?

Since when did dropping out of school, doing drugs, having casual sex, never going on to school, having kids out of wedlock with people you barely know, suing for child support, dating other people with kids from other failed relationships, making less than $24,000 a year, racking up $30,000 in credit card debt, and then blaming conservatism and the government for all of life's problems become so popular in this country?

Ironic that the institution of marriage, commitment, and morals are more important these days to gays and lesbians than they are to excuse making liberals!!!

Answer 1

It started in the 1960's. It's part of the "counter culture" creed which has become the main stream of the Democratic Party.

Answer 2

Alot of parts to that question....

First, since when are things like school, college jobs are "christian values"?

Second - getting married in a church- Not everyone can afford that luxury. (have you seen how much churches are charging for the use of their facilities? How much the preachers make for the services?) Not to mention that our current tax program benefits single individuals over couples when dependants come into the picture. Marriage would also remove alot of the poor's benefits with the additional income of a second spouse (housing, foodstamps, medical, etc) Simply, regardless of religious beleifs, not everyone can afford to get married.

"Earning a decent living doing something you worked hard to become." Society does not make it to where everyone can become doctors and lawers, earning a living. Someone has to be there to take out the trash, to teach in our schools, to check out our groceries. Not every 50 hour a week job allows people to make a decent living. Look at the working class poor, who live below poverty level.

"buying a home" Nowdays, buying a home does nothing but give money to the banks. Investors get more tax breaks for owning rental properties, than homeowners get on their own homes. Capital Depreciations, repair expenses, even tools used like lawn mowers are deductable for a company owning rental property. Where an individual owning a home, may have to wait years before any type of gain is realized.

"starting a family" too many can not afford to do so. and once again, not exactly a christian value.

As for the sex, drugs, etc, that isnt exactly a new thing. For thousands of years, even in biblical times, people had sex out marriage, consumed mind altering materials, and did things that were considered immoral by today's standards. Its not anything new.

Suing for child support - If the respnsible parties are not paying for the support of a child they created, why shouldnt they be able to sue for it?????

dating other people with kids from other failed relationships -
So a single mom cant have a second chance? (That also isnt something new, King James version of the bible was commissioned so King James could get a divorce and remarry)

making less than $24,000 a year, racking up $30,000 in credit card debt,
Lets go one step further... how about the thousands of college graduates facing thousands in debt when they had NO income, all on the hopes of obtaining a degree to get a job that payed... Only to find out that even with a degree, not every job makes the big bucks. (teachers, police perfect examples of those with degrees who barely live abover poverty level.)

If I had to guess... you have never had to choose between feeding your children on a credit card or letting them go hungry.

I dont blame conservatism. I blame the lack of true christian values of many elected officials. I blame the lack of compassion that many republicans display. Jesus cared about everyone. He cared for everyone. Did not turn anyone away based on income.

The quote has been around a while....
Jesus was a liberal... Healing the sick.. Feeding the hungry...

Being a consertative is not a christian value. Being a liberal is not a christian value.

Not all christians share the christian values.

Answer 3

Since the PC regime took over. If you don't approve of dropping out of school, doing drugs, having casual sex, never going on to school, having kids out of wedlock with people you barely know, suing for child support, dating other people with kids from other failed relationships, making less than $24,000 a year, racking up $30,000 in credit card debt and NOT taking responsibility..........then you are a nazi bigot with no compassion (for those unfortunate individuals who DO believe in those things.........and that SOMEONE ELSE OWES THEM a living).

Answer 4

Christian values, as spoken and written of, are perfectly fine......in the church and in the home. Ones mans value is another mans pain in the neck.

Everyone has their own belief, their own value system and thats the way it should be.

While I can't disagree with much of what you say, dropping out, using drugs, causal sex, etc.... I don't find those things to be necessarily a lack of Christian values...it is a lack of good parenting. And, you don't have to be a Christian to be a good parent.

Morality, integrity - those things come from within. You either were raised with these things and carry them with you, or you don't.
No church will instill them. Parents can and should.

Being married doesn't assure morality just as being an unwed parent doesn't insure immorality.

Good parents and a good family come from working at it. Nobody needs a church affiliation to accomplish them.

Answer 5

You had me going for a while, but it looks like you are just another judgmental hypocrite looking to blame everything wrong on those "excuse making liberals."

I'm not making an excuse. I am a liberal. I am happily married and 100% faithful to my husband. I have a graduate degree and I probably make more than you do. I pay my taxes and honor my commitments. I also know a bunch of malarkey when I smell it. Are you sure you are without sin and could cast the first stone?

Answer 6

You know, it would have been a great question if we all knew just who it's directed at. There is nothing wrong with all the things you mention. The only problem I have is, let me and mine live as we please. So long as we are not infringing on you, you have no complaint. I am a retired 25 year Marine. I receive a good payback for the years I gave to my country and for you. I have a right to live as I please. I have been married for 48 years to the same woman. Both my sons and my daughter have excellant paying jobs, go to chruch and stay out of trouble. I am a Dem and I am guessing thats who you refer to. What a shame it is that because we are Dem's, all you Repubs think we are stupid. I suggest you do your thing and let everyone else do as they want. If Joe Blow gets put in jail for dealing dope, it's not hurting you unless it's your family. So live and let live. Thats the way it has been for hundreds of years and we can't change it.

Answer 7

Christian values are great--and no one is criticizing them. What is being criticized is the religious right--because they DON'T follow those values and because they make a mockery of them.

Most liberals are Christians--real Christians. And--to underscore the point--have lower divorce rates and better educations than the religious right. On the "liberal" side you see people like Jimmy Carter--who follows Christ's teachings not only in his public rhetoric but in his actions--like Habitat for Humanity.

What to the neoconservatives of the religious right offer? Ted Haggard. Mark Foley. David Vitter. Do they repudieate these scum. No--they make excuses for them and blame the people who blew the whistle on their crimes.

When--and if--the religious right start acting like Christians, they'll stop being criticized. Not until.

Answer 8

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A nation is an abstraction, a complex and intricate set of dynamics involving many people and processes. It is in a constant state of flux and is not easily definable. However, in recent history, generally speaking, the United States has morphed into a social and political cesspool viewed contemptuously by most of the world. We have strayed woefully far from the "Promise of America", but as Kaye's powerful analysis of Thomas Paine and his impact on the evolution of our nation reveals, it is not too late to fulfill that promise. George Washington is the father of a country ruled by the wealthy elite. The spirit of Thomas Paine is poised to become the father of a nation ruled by all Americans. It is time that "We the People" adopt a new father and wrest the power away from a group of narcissistic, avaricious malefactors who are the enemies of humanity.

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Answer 9

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Answer 10

I didn't realize Christian values and common sense were the same thing. l grew up in a Christian home and my parents and their friends had no common sense. They believed ridiculous things with no facts to back them up, and refused to believe scientific facts. If everyone had common sense and got rid of judgemental, hateful, Christian values, the world would be a better place.

Answer 11

the simple truth is.... IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY...

Republicans have these huge rose colored glasses on and are simply FAR OUT OF TOUCH with any idea of reality...

the ideas you discuss as "Christian" AREN'T BAD... but it's PAINFULLY OBVIOUS if you know anything at all about history that MOST PEOPLE NEVER HAVE DONE MANY OF THOSE THINGS...

in fact, those things are becoming MORE POPULAR than they ever were... overall

LOOK at a few things...

more people have college degrees now...

more people make more money on average...

more people work more hours...

more people own homes...

more people pay taxes...

now, if you want to talk about the "value" of marriage ONLY... you could possibly have a point... but if you know much about the history of marriage and the place of women in the past... most people wouldn't prefer that to what we have now... as far too often women were hardly nothing more than slaves...

and of course, you blame all of this on liberals... somehow magically... as if none of these things existed in the past...

"LEAVE IT TO BEAVER" IS NOT A HISTORICAL DOCUMENTARY...