Is science the enemy of the global warming denier?

Question

I recently posed a question for global warming deniers - if humans are not the primary cause of the recent acceleration of global warming, then what is? I provided evidence that it's not the sun, cosmic rays, volcanoes, or water vapor. I was provided with not a single valid alternative scientific explanation.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070711133901AAvvAXX&r=w

Also, the scientific consensus is against global warming deniers. In 2004 an article in Science magazine discussed a study by Prof. Naomi Oreskes in which she surveyed 928 scientific journal articles that matched the search [global climate change] at the ISI Web of Science. Of these, according to Oreskes, 75% agreed with the consensus view (either implicitly or explicitly), 25% took no stand one way or the other, and none rejected the consensus.

http://www.norvig.com/oreskes.html

Is science the arch enemy of global warming deniers? How can anyone be in such denial as to ignore all evidence?

Answer 1

Its the same as religion . When you show people that God did not create the world in Seven days ,that a virgin birth is impossible ,that religion is man made and Abraham is the same profit of Islam and Christianity .
People like to believe what they like to believe .
People hate change and accepting that global warming is real and we are having an effect on our planet is not going to happen easily .
Science has always been attacked by religion and it still is today .
Religion teaches that science is wrong unless it agrees with creation .
Evolution is wrong and so is global warming .
If science is always right like it is basically then religion is wrong and we can not have that happen .

Answer 2

I think any un-moderated forum is going to be petty and vindictive since nearly all allow anonymity, as well they must. I think you should have also used an example of a realist in the same situation, not just a skeptic. I would guess that though I'm sure your example is valid, there is more coming from the denier camp (educated guess based on the demographic and propensities of same). I'm pretty sure this quote is a very valid assessment based on what I've seen, not my views on the subject. "but inevitably it is climate change that has provoked the most abuse, especially from climate change deniers or “sceptics”." In short, I agree with you that it is definitely petty and vindictive, but that's just humans. We are a petty and vindictive race, which is pretty much the cause of the state of the world right now. I think that it's also the primary cause of the state of the climate debate. You have many who let their politics, pride and machismo dictate what they believe and how they interact on the subject and that's where you get most of the attitudes. Edit: "I have a particular dislike for people purposely spinning the truth to fit whatever agenda." -bravozulu hahaha! That's funny... "I see a lot of misstatements about "energy independence" as a byproduct of carbon taxes and they make no sense." -didier If you happen to be referring to me (among others) with that statement - I've never said that carbon taxes or C&T would lead to energy independence. Though I suppose that it indirectly could by making alternative energy sources more competitive, though not in a constructive way. I would prefer that investments be made in alternative energy instead of into the fossil fuel industry. If energy concerns don't get with it, then they deserve to be left behind, taxed (as polluters) and dying by the wayside. "I have seen some blogs which appear nothing more than an assault on conservatives." -stl_luna And you've never seen blogs that are nothing more than assaults on liberals under the guise of whatever, including climate change/AGW? _

Answer 3

The global warming advocates are politically $$$$ oriented. Their arguments for global warming follow the EXACT same path as the holocaust deniers. It's just another "back door" attempt at people control, same as with the smoking ban issue, gun control issue & the list goes on & on. Do your self a favor partner, quit being led around by your gullibility & the "groupie" mentality. Causes are "feel good" for the follower types of folks. If ya want a global tax on people, at least be HONEST about it & just state it out right. No use fibbing or sneaking around in the shadows to try to hood wink folks.

Answer 4

YES!!!
More & more scientists are coming out saying that Global Warming Being Caused By Humans is a big giant HOAX!!!

Al Gore, and gang, need these little kids that they are brainwashing, to pull off the Hoax of the Century.
Gore and Gang take advantage of the young, the ignorant, and the gullible.

Answer 5

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3. Kenneth Clark, Civilization, Harper and Row, (1969), pp33; Arthur B. Robinson, Noah E. Robinson, Science (1996); L.D. Keigwin, The Little Ice Age and Medieval Warm Period in the Sargasso Sea, Science, Vol. 274, Nov. 29, (1996) pp 5292;


4. The End of Angkor, Science, Vol. 311, March 10, (2006).


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6. Charles Higham, Civilization of Angkor; pp14-16


7. Methane Since 1684, Climate and Environmental Physics, Physics Inst of Bern, Sidlerstrassa 5, Switzerland.



8. Hudson Canyon Map: http://www.pubs.usgs.gov/of%202004/1441/index/.htm; Wallace Broeker et al. Earth Observatory, Columbia Univ. Lecture at Amer Geographic Society, Baltimore, Spring 1999.


9. Severinghouse, Science, Vol. 286, Oct. 29 (1999) pp 930-4.


10. D.F. Ferretti, J.B. Miller et al, Unexpected Changes to the Global Methane Budget over the Past 2000 Years, Science, Vol. 309, Sept. 9 (2005).


11. Mysterious Stabilization of Atmospheric Methane May Buy Time in Race
to Stop Global Warming, Geophysical Research Letters, Nov. 23 (2006). Mysterious Stabilization of Methane, Scientific American, Nov. 21 (2006).


12. C&EN, Aug 8, (2005) pp16


13. Science, Feb 28 (1997) pp1267; Geothermal Geophysical, Geosystems Vol. 10 (2001) pp1029.


14. I.S.A. Isakreacta, et al, Radiation Forcing of Climate, Inter-Government Panel on Climate Change (2003).

15. Urban Renaissance Inst., http://www. Urban-renaissance.org; Eva Bauer, Martin Clausen, V. Broukin, Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 30, No. 6 (2003) pp127


16. Milankovitch Cycles - Wikipedia Encyclopedia


17. Richard Mueller, Gordon MacDonald (1977) Glacial Cycles and Astronomical Forcing


18. J. Howard Maccabee, http://www.nuc.berkely.edu, (colloquium)

Answer 6

I would just like to know where they get the idea that every celestial body is rising in temperature.

To the dunce above me:
Abe Lincoln freed the slaves out of political obligation not moral.

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.

Answer 7

I think Mr. Gore hit the nail on the head in "An Inconvenient Truth" when he compared opposition to recognizing that global climate change is occurring to the tobacco company's denial of the correlation between smoking and disease. The tactics appear to be the same (dubious studies, the big lie, obfuscation of the truth, constantly raising the burden of proof, etc.) but hopefully the argument doesn't drag on for 50 years after the scientific evidence has already proved the point the way it has with tobacco.

Answer 8

no. its the enemy of the global warming zealot.

Scientific consensus is irrelevant. Scientists once believed the world was flat. Science isnt determined by consensus. Science either is or it isnt.

The mere fact that you are trying to argue science because "everyone agrees on it" demonstrates that you don't understand science.

Answer 9

Everyone of your "sources" is a left wing shill site...

Come on dude...Can't you post something from a truly neutral source?

Global warming is caused by natural cycles. Dont tell me any different because you do not know either.

If you did we would all be listening to you on TV instead of YA

Question for you big boy...Why is Greenland called GREENland? Is it because ICE is GREEN? Or was it a farming nation only a few undred years ago?

To the dunce above me:

Abe Lincoln FREED the slaves you ignorant sycophant

Answer 10

Big oil offers $10000 for scientific reports contradicting global warming.

Why? Because it's not in their corporate profit making scheme to let the world know the truth:

Scientists and economists have been offered $10,000 each by a lobby group funded by one of the world's largest oil companies to undermine a major climate change report due to be published today.

Letters sent by the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), an ExxonMobil-funded thinktank with close links to the Bush administration, offered the payments for articles that emphasise the shortcomings of a report from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

Travel expenses and additional payments were also offered.