I know of a great many "Proud South Africans" but wonder, are there any "Ashamedly South Africans"?

Question

Do you ever bow your head in shame when the news of the rape of babies younger than a year and the elderly is aired on international news channels?
Are you proud to have a state president who labels his citizens who have an opinion as racists?
When our state president openly states that HIV does not cause AIDS and that Beetroot and African Potatoe is a cure for those viruses', are you still proud?
Having murder rates 8 times higher than the world average is a good reflection on an immoral society and more to be proud of?
Maybe our record of supporting gross humans rights violators such as Iran, Russia, China, Zimbabwe and the Palestinians that has made us the laughing stock of the free world would be a great reason to be proud?
Do you look forward to supporting our own version of the All Blacks rugby team, weekend after weekend, defeat after defeat, humiliation after humiliation?
Or you will you merely choose to have a braai while it is still affordbale and ignore reality?

Answer 1

Dont you find it just laughable that some are proud "when the president stands up to racism." Mbeki is one of the biggest racists in SA as he has proven over and over again and that is apart from being a drunk who can hardly coordinate 2 sensible thoughts.
South Africa used to have much to be proud of but it is all going very fast and I dont accept this continuous African excuse of no education etc. They have had 100,s of years to get an education but it is easier to sit on your backside and do nothing other than plead poverty and make excuses.This is what many in the West are now alert to and the man in the street no longer opens his wallet so generously and easily as he has done in the past.
As a Continent Africa is a cesspit existing on rewritten history and the begging bowl.South Africa follows the same path as they know no better and once the ANC have looted the Country to its full extent watch the attitude of the starving millions change.
Also be aware that the concept of Proudly South African is a Pan African sentiment so in following it you follow the Communist doctrine.

Answer 2

I am more disgusted than ashamed when a baby or child is raped or murdered but as a SAfrican, I will not allow the rest of the world to label SA as the worst country in the world because it isn't. Having lived through the transition and change in Zimbabwe, then watched as things got worse when everyone thought that it couldn't, the present situation in SA is just a repeat performance of it all. And as I said before, Zimbabweans sat back and bickered and moaned but NO-ONE stood up and said ENOUGH! Now, isn't this exactly what WE are doing? Our only solution to it all is to stand united and fight for our rights but we can't even do that here on the forum so let's stop arguing about it or anything else that happens in SA. Horrible things are happening in SA, yes,
but hasn't that been the case for the past couple of centuries?
It just didn't make the news so people didn't worry! Every country in the world blames Africa for Aids so that will never change. At the end of the day, I am still a SAfrican and no matter what, I have to face up to the fact that my country is in trouble.........because our people cannot stand together!
I will come back to SA when my study is over, to my family, my friends and my fellow countrymen, without hatred or bad intentions but instead with hope and pride to a country that is my birthright. But if, like Zimbabwe, our president kicks us out with the whites then I will have to leave......regretfully.

Answer 3

When you put it that way, then, yes, I am ashamed of all those negative reports. BUT, when people discuss these sort of things here in Germany, I always mention that the majority of these offenders have little or no formal schooling. And I suggest that, if anyone wants to help "poor Africa", then the best is to go there hand help in person, and not with money grants. Each foreigner that can teach skills, from reading and writing to mechanical skills in repairing the tractor to plough the fields, can help. When the majority can read and write, then they do not have to rely on word-of-mouth cures from Dr Beetroot etc.

I am proud to be a South african and will always try to put the picture into the right frame when Germans ask me questions about subjects that bring shame to SA. I agree with Heavy D that there are good and bad things, but the good must outweigh the bad.

Answer 4

Cri-Key! mate your campaign is going strong ne'!

Yes I am ashamed when I see babies rated.

Yes I am proud when the president stands up to racism.

Well It was Manto that said "Beetroot and African potatoes can do the same job the antiretroviral drugs are doing.
She never said cure AIDS thats bull she is a Doctor remember.

Look I am not going to deny that murder is high in this country but now we need proof that it is 8 times higher give us your source.

Well excuse us for not being puppy dogs to the west and saying yes to everything they say.
Infact both Bush and Blair were here which means there are no hard feelings. Its all in your head mate.

Springboks!
Well you know where I stand on this.
I agree with you let them stay white the government should not both they must rather give money to the sports that are willing to transform like tennis, swimming and golf.
Live rugby alone to the Boeres.
Rugby is not even an olympic sport.

Yes I will still have a braai.

Answer 5

I am proudly South African ! It's like a partnership these days . You cannot have the good and then distance yourself from the bad . It is up to all South Africans to get the scale equalizing as soon as possible ! ( No matter what , I will continue my braaiing !) I must admit that I am ashamed and there is no quick solution for that !

Answer 6

I think it all depends on what you're looking at. I left cause I hated what was happening.
I read some headlines and I am proud, then I read other headlines and my heart just sinks.
20000 child rapes happen each year (and that's the official statistic). That's nothing to be proud of, that's a case for the death penalty.

If we all want a country to be proud of, there's a moer of a lot of work to be done, and fast, before we lose ALL credibility we ever had.

Answer 7

I am a proud South African, but there are instances where I feel embarrased by some of the things happening here & people in SA. We have many things to be proud of, but also to be ashamed of. I guess every country in the world has it, the circumstances just differ.
About the "Aids" comment, it was actually our minister of health that said that & afterwards she admitted her ignorance.
People have to remember, we are a growing country & we are learning how to run the country by "trail & error".
Remember how bad blacks wanted in into white schools... well, all the black people working with me prefer their kids to go to black schools now, because they now feel that their kids loose their traditional values. It was tried, didn't work they way they thought it would & now they prefer their kids to grow up in their own culture.
I don't mean any offence to anyone here as it's the view of my black staff & I'm just repeating their thoughts.
Another good example is the New National Credit Act. Before it was introduced, govenment tried to put a stop to excessive spending on credit byt hiking the interest rates - that didn't work, so they implemented the NCA to get spending on credit down. Spending on credit influences the country's economy negatively because, ifr debt in a country is more than the money in the reserve bank, that country is seen to be bankrupt & investment in that country goes down. That's why it is necessary for the government to control credit spending.

Answer 8

I agree. I guess I just don't watch news anymore, as I don't like feeling this way. I was hoping to put a few things of which I am truly proud (without being a hypocrite) and I honestly can't think of any man-made thing that I'm proud of at this moment in time.
It's much easier to just turn a blind eye...

Answer 9

I'm often disgusted by the things people get up to in this country, I don't think any one would disagree that murder and baby rape are not things you boast about with your mates.

However, I also know that I don't do any of those things and so I refuse to carry another man's (or woman's as the case may be) shame!

I'm proud of all the people, of every colour, who can still keep their act together, and stay honest and decent, in the face of the many challenges SA has to offer!
YAY!!

The rest of the scum can go hang! (Sadly not literally!)

Answer 10

I am unashamedly a proud South African.

Yes, I get worried when I read and see news of the rape of babies and women.

Yes, I feel proud when my state president tell racists to jump into the nearest lake.

PS. I am still waiting for proof that Mbeki ever said HIV does not cause AIDS.

Bull, you have many a times posted your hatred for Muslims. You have openly told us that they should be exterminated. So, your disgust in our government supporting Palenstinians is understood to be from your stated position.

As regards other issues you raised; we debated them for too long in the past, and my answers remain unchanged.