Isn't it absurd that some radical feminists wish for a society ...?

Question

Where there is no gender at all, and babies are nurtured and grown from fetuses outside of the woman's body, perhaps in a factory somewhere. Oh and you know what, they also want to change the word "women" to "womyn." Don't you think something is wrong with that picture? I know that feminism arose partly to seek justice, and that's fine, but it seems like some types of feminism are counterproductive and even harmful to society. So my question is, do you think that "equality" of the sexes is a noble and achievable goal, and what do you mean by "equality"? And by the way, I do think that everyone should have equality of opportunity. But I think pushing too much for equality in everything can cause some problems. I'm not trying to cause a commotion here, but I'm just trying to see what you guys and gals think about these issues.

Answer 1

I have never heard of your first example before, but it sounds a lot like Brave New World (Aldous Huxley). Fortunately I don't think that is a very widely held idea of equality. I hope it never is, it seems a little twisted.

While I have no preference, I do understand the concept behind wishing to spell it "womyn." Woman denotes that women are derived from men, not equal. However, since "man" is a name for the human species (however fair that may or may not be), i'm not sure that wish to change the spelling of woman/women will change anything.

Honestly, though, I feel that these radical feminists have lost sight of the real goal of equality. Is changing the spelling of woman really going to change her status in society? Those feminists responsible for the biggest advances to the cause did not nitpick over spelling, they picketed for voting rights or wrote essay, books, and letters.

Answer 2

You had me up till you started talking about substituting a 'y' for a 'e' or an 'a'.

Equality is achievable, and by equality I mean substantive equality of opportunity, not formal.

I make that distinction because formal systems tend to provide nasty little loopholes that can be used to utterly defeat the spirit of the measure without actually disobeying the letter of it.

If you want to read a really great series of analogies outlining the different forms of equality, go read this: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/equal-opportunity/#2

Here's the thing on 'radical', though:

Imagine that you are part of a group that has not seen a whole lot of equal treatment or justice. You look around, decide that the situation sucks, and start changing things.

This will, inevitably, cause inconvenience to those who were enjoying the benefits of the status quo, and they will call out for a cease or even a rollback of changes in the name of a happy, healthy society.

Recall, though, that the status quo was no fun as a member of your group. Society is not happy or healthy when it rests upon the unpaid labor, silence, and powerlessness of a large group of people.

So, an appeal to the 'overall good' of a society is pretty useless to a person that society did not benefit. In fact, the destruction of that society to the point that it can be reconstructed with a different power balance may be the solution.

Answer 3

Have You ever actually had an original thought? You have managed to pay lip service to several arguements, none of which is even remotely relevant to homogenous and systematic reasoning, the betterment of society or the maintenance of the common good. Trust Me. You will not cause anything even closely resembling a commotion here. But You will learn a valuable lesson about what others think of Your opinions.

Answer 4

Radical feminism can be as absurd as you like, depending on your tastes and what flavor of feminism we're talking about

Umm but i think changing "women" to "womyn" is drastically less absurd than manufacturing human babies in a factory.

And FYI some radical forms of ANYTHING can cause problems in society.

Additionally, prolly since i am a vagitarian, i tend to see gender as more fluid than rigid, very much like clothes we can change whenever it strikes our fancy.

I think equality is a noble and achievable pursuit as well, so what would constitute "pushing too much" for such a noble enterprise?

Are you maybe just venting anxiety over the possibility of losing your "man = ruler of society" status that you so unwittingly cherish and coddle at the very nexus of your creation of your own self-image?

Answer 5

In truth, there is no gender at all. Men and women have their differences, but most people seem confused by which ones are natural and which ones are socialized.

No one actually prefers babies to be born out of a lab, but if that's what must be done to give someone a child, as it is in some cases, so what?

I definitely disagree with the "womyn" thing. I prefer everything in its original spelling.

Equality of the sexes is indeed an achievable goal, as long as people believe in it.

Answer 6

How long did you have to think before you used the word "gals?" LOL These must be really extreme feminists to want to change the word to womyn. You'd think they'd want to change the word "woman" to... (I'm thinking) I guess woperson? Hey, I just think that wome (oops) womyn should be paid the same if they are doing the EXACT same job as a man. But I know that women bear children and should be proud of that. But men are physically stronger. So there! :) And that's the truth!!

Answer 7

somehow feminism, like Islam (or any other pervertable religion) has been splintered off into a fundamentalist or radical subgroup, which envisions men carrying fetuses to term (so men can share the burden). Presumably, they would also like men to lactate, and perhaps even grow HUGE breasts, so they know what it's like to have the resulting back pain. I do know they wtill hate the man who invented the mammogram machine (they claim that it HAD to be invented by a man, because of the discomfort it puts women through.

You see, this particular group of women aren't looking for equality - they're looking to GET EVEN. And it's totally transparent, the whole revenge thing. That's always been my morbid fascination with feminism. How could any reasonable person be against women being treated fairly? I know I can't. But what spins me like a top is this vehicle of revenge that feminism has become (or perhaps always was). Still, advocacy, even blind, extreme advocacy, tends to never succeed in the extreme. Perhaps it's these ridiculous women complaining about minutiae and seeking revenge for every injustice, real or perceived, which results in the approach to equality women enjoy today.

But hey, what do I know? I'm just a Chauvinistic, Neanderthal misogynist with the need to make girls cry.

Answer 8

It is not absurb because there are so many women out there and some are hurt or feel injustice at the way men treat them. They can't understand why they have to be the ones to produce babies in their bodies. They cannot imagine men producing babies as well. So they start to imagine some machines which mix sperms and eggs together to form babies. And even the spelling to be changed so that they do not take after men. We just don't know what they have been through to come up with what we call strange thoughts. They are not like us who accept the things as they are. As for the word equality, there are many meanings. For me is I have a job like men have their jobs and that is fine and equal for me. For other women, their demands may be more. Since I am a religious person, there are certain things which I have learned that just cannot be equal and I can accept it because I have no problem with it, not like other religious people who may find it a problem.

Answer 9

Nope. Why might you hate adult men in case you wanted you have been one? could not you hate women in case you wanted you have been a guy? or have a intercourse replace? or flow-dress? And purely who're the unconventional adult men haters which you understand so nicely? And why do you spend a lot time with them, you do not wish you have been a guy do you...there are hormones and surgery for which you understand.

Answer 10

FOR SHAME !! & How absolutely >StUpId< that is !! & as for the DUMMIES that even thought this up,' had to have been led do to SCIENCE !?! which in FACT on some levels or in some ways tries to dis`prove the existence of !?! Well for your information {{ADAM & EVE}} was the first living-breathing HUMANS Ever !! or is it just a few ?SmArT? individuals trying to come up with some half-assed reasoning for saying "it's ok to be gay"?? lol or morally & ?>genderly