Does Anyone Care That Because of Deadbeat Dad Law Millions Are Unemployed?

Question

As a deadbeat dad can't keep an old business or form a new business, doesn't it bother anyone that this is one reason for the 9 trillion dollar deficit and the millions of poor in the USA and the millions of men women and children in prison in the USA and our general lack of military success in the USA?

Some of you seem to want to know how "the law" works to shun people -sometimes women as well as men - (I assume here you mean the Child Support Act and the insane derivations on this in "case law" more popularly known as the deadbeat dad law). First off, the child protection act is largely civil law, but with built in criminal law penalties; the judge can order jail without a jury trial, and as far as anyone can know they usually do. Many divorced dads go missing in the USA; the law is set up to deny jailed individuals any access to the children even through third parties. They get no phone call. You have no right as a private citizen to know who is in jail or where or why. The mechanism of issolation is money. No deadbeat dad has any access to any money including money earned at 26 cents per hour in a conservative "privatized prison"; thus, deadbeat jailbirds can be isolated. No jury, no money and no lawyer equal no accountability for judicials to force fairness.

Secondly, the deadbeat dad laws prevent work. They don't as far as anyone can prove actually feed children as a general rule any better than prior laws without jail and license seizures built in, in fact it's very likely that these laws only provide worsening of care. What they do certainly do is weaken adult protections from employer abuses.

Take this worst case scenario: Employer (A) finds that Employee (B) is going to found his own company by illegal bathroom bugging. A then hires Private Dick (C) to drug B into a senseless affair with local whore (D). Then C and D get the gossip going. C cannot recal the incedent because date rape drugs cause amnesia. But his wife divorces him, on advice of everyone, especially the marriage councelors who find C's denials to be indicative of "insanity". In fact, the DHHS is brought in to force divorce, because C "is" nuts. The judge finds the porn shot by C and D indicate a earnings capacity as a porn star's and rules this B's imputed wage.

So, now we have a fellow, B, who because he is competition for the local power brokers, because he has brains and loyalty to the nation and wants to do right by his family by starting a business to employ, well, you, the judge for him an income goal he cannot reach, that is set in stone. Now, he doesn't get into trouble unless he quits his job. Imputed incomes don't become an issue unless the guy can't pay. Now as the child support is so high, B is very depressed, and it shows the other "workers" what is coming if they get upity like B did. And B struggles on for years. Then he gets old. A, his employer no longer wants him. He is financially strained, but fired. He doesn't have time between getting fired and getting arrested to file a meaningful age descrimination suit. But he "just" dissapears.

Who wins? The kids? No. They are out a loving dad. The Shrink that decided to force divorce? Yup. The lawyer his wife hired and the whore and dick his employer hired? Yup, all happy. You? No

The very term deadbeat dad comes from the labor disputes of the twenties. Union activists would be beaten up so badly by their supervisors that they were worth more dead to their families. It still applies.

What you should recall here is the effect of this. In WWII some scolars hold we might have lost the war due to this kind of suppression of genius. Poor wages hold back advances in war machinery as the very people with the most to gain cannot build competing stuff, and thus the nation started the war with inferior planes, tanks, big guns and etc. Go back farther into history and you see that in the war of 1812 we nearly lost because of poverty. The multi-national corporations of that day dumped goods on the USA. Then when almost all industry was ruined and our capacity to wage war was low, the principle nations of those corporations attacked us. Technology pulled our nation through both war efforts. In other words "conservative" policies are ruinous to nations.

Mad yet?

You asked about children in prison. One factor in child arrests is clearly, very clearly, lack of adult supervision.

But the threat goes farther. Any citizen can be found guilty in civil court. It wasn't that long ago that the US courts hung kids in the open. The Supreme Court all to a man agreed in appointment hearings to ingnore statistical evidence of a "global problem", but to try individuals.

Now, the principle lobby for this bill was clearly foreign industry with hooks in the USA. They get less than min. wage labor that cannot quit. They also get to have their families work in the USA as illegals, as US citizens in the millions cannot now apply for low paying jobs. And it is funny and comforting for those persons to see us as soo darn stupid.

Our kids are beginning to agree with them. Few US children think of themselves as competitive with foreign interests. As long as this "child support act" supports American Genius on so many implements of destruction, they are right

You asked about children in prison. One factor in child arrests is clearly, very clearly, lack of adult supervision.

But the threat goes farther. Any citizen can be found guilty in civil court. It wasn't that long ago that the US courts hung kids in the open. The Supreme Court all to a man agreed in appointment hearings to ingnore statistical evidence of a "global problem", but to try individuals.

Now, the principle lobby for this bill was clearly foreign industry with hooks in the USA. They get less than min. wage labor that cannot quit. They also get to have their families work in the USA as illegals, as US citizens in the millions cannot now apply for low paying jobs. And it is funny and comforting for those persons to see us as soo darn stupid.

Our kids are beginning to agree with them. Few US children think of themselves as competitive with foreign interests. As long as this "child support act" supports American Genius on so many implements of destruction, they are right

And as to the issue of present military need: We need innovation.

In WWII they needed innovation too. The principle reason all Nazis believed so ardently that they could not loose was submarine power. They could easily starve Brittan, why invade?

Well, subs weren't much of a threat after awhile, because Liberals were in office. We developed magnetic mine exploders that could explode the best mines (IED circa 1939). We invented radar that could find subs. Liberals hired persons conservatives, Like Hitler, would not.

Liberals actually reward poor people for innovation. For the most part, Conservatives never have and never will. But without the reward, poor people loose the ability to innovate. Stealing a man's first thought might seem very conservative (most business leaders today make the poor sign waivers to patent rights even when those people are not in R&D). But in the end, conservative protectionism of the idle rich results in Dead genius' gene pools and fallen Nations.

Answer 1

Well, as the son of a deadbeat Dad I think they need to be given some incentive to become employed. I know that mine just didn't pay because my mother did very well and liked him out of the picture. By this I mean, he didn't pay and this kept him to ashamed to come around. She liked it that way. I do see your point though. It has become to hard to get out of the "catch 22". They cant go to work or they will be found and prosecuted, therefor they cant pay. I don't think that this has that much to do with the deficit. A program for these Dad's should be started much like the one for getting people off welfare. They should be able to contact a city attorney and make arrangements to get caught up without fear of prosecution before they even get the first payment made.

Answer 2

How does that old line go? "Sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug."
There are laws on BOTH sides of that fence that are unfair. These matters are decided by judges who are human - and therefore, just as fallible as the rest of us - judges who often don't have the whole story to go on, but only the rhetoric of the couple's attorneys. I have NO doubt that it is often the partner who secures the better attorney rather than the most truly deserving partner who gets the more benevolent judgement and the best breaks in most divorce cases.

When I met my late husband, he was newly diviorced with a young son. His court-ordered child-support payments hurt us severely till his ex remarried and her new mate adopted the boy, taking the whole matter off our shoulders. So I know first-hand what a cruel burden this can be for a guy - especially if he wants to form a new family but has barely the earning power to support ONE family, much less TWO! On the other hand, I know single mothers who are struggling to maintain the lowest level of minimum necessities in life - some without, and some even WITH - child support from the father. A single mother without some pretty heavy-duty job skills can barely make anything above and beyond what it will cost her for the child's day care - and this only gets worse if she has more than one!

The "deadbeat parent issue" is just one of the problems that has arisen out of the collapse of values and standards that marked the "social changes" of the 60's. Prior to that, and in a lot of other cultures today, couples did not get together and PRODUCE children together, in the first place, unless they were serious about RAISING them together. (Certainly "deadbeat parenting" existed, but it was the EXCEPTION back then, where it is practically the RULE now.

I would be the first to agree that laws affecting a "deadbeat parent"s right and ability to work are self-defeating and counterproductive in the extreme, but so is the action of irresponsibly producing children and then going off to leave the other parent to raise them alone without help. With birth control, adoption and even legal abortion readily available, people need to do a lot of thinking, planning and mutual soul-searching BEFORE producing a child together. If BOTH prospective parents are not ready, willing and able to participate responsibly in the raising of the child(ren), then they should NOT produce it(them) in the first place.

All that said, I have to wonder about some of your statements. However much of a sociual problem it has become, though, I still find it hard to equate the problem with child-imprisonment and military ineffectiveness.
".....millions of men women and children in prison in the USA"
How does this contribute to "CHILDREN in prison" they lock up the deadbeat parent, NOT the CHILD!
I also have to think it is a significant stretch to say this involves "....our general lack of military success in the USA".
"general lack of military success" in the field of recruiting here at home, or "general lack of military success" in our military endeavors abroad?
I would, a lot quicker, attribute our lag in domestic recruitment AND our lack of military success abroad to the horriffic way in which the face of war has changed over the last few decades.
When "war" consisted of two full armies facing eachother across a battlefield, that was one thing - but now that "war" consists of not knowing whether that harmless-looking civilian standing beside you has a bomb strapped to his/her waist, or not knowing if that little child standing in the roadway was sent out there to stop your jeep so that someone could more easily hit it with a rocket, it is something else entirely! Now that more of our men are returnijng home with crippling lifelong psycho/emotional scars than with physical injuries, is it any wonder we are scoring fewer "victories" and recruiting fewer volunteers to place themselves in that kind of Hell? I don't imagine for a minute that "deadbeat parenting" has one iota of effect on THAT!

Answer 3

I've never heard of them not being able to hold or form a business. They are still fully capable of getting a job somewhere and supporting their children and not being deadbeat dads. I'm also not sure how deadbeat dads tie in to the national deficit, lack of military success, or the number of people in prison. I'd love to see where this information came from.

Answer 4

To answer your main question.. No, nobody cares that the deadbeat dad law creates unemployment.... Because simply, It does not create unemployment.

You should maybe try to consider all of the flaws in your logic.

Just because the leaves flap when the wind blows, does not mean its the leaves that makes the wind blow.

If you have enough time to type all that out, you should have the time to find a job to pay your child support. We know you have some computer skills.

Answer 5

yeah, i guess a few fathers that dont want to pay for their offspring really affect everything harshly doesnt it? a father that wont work or works under the table because they dont want to pay child support, because they didnt shield their weapon. so these few deadbeats choose to bring down an entire nation by themselves. wow you are really giving them far too much credit. you dont think that it might be that congress spends money like a drunken sailor for the deficit? and that a lack of military success might just be from oh i dont know, leaders who cant lead? and not i am not talking about bush.

Answer 6

Slow down...how is it that this law is responsible for the deficit, the nation's poor, the prison population and our lack of military success?

I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm just not sure where you're coming from here.

Answer 7

if you are a dead beat dad why not step up and take responsibility for your kids. the millions of poor are the kids who can't get the financial support they need.

you have a beef with the ex, fine, take it up with her.

Answer 8

Can you site some proof or sources for this belief?
Maybe dead-beat dads are the problem!!!

Answer 9

If dads would pay their child support, there wouldn't be a deadbeat dad law.

Answer 10

Here's a solution: Don't be a deadbeat dad.