Gay Christian I need to know this...?

Question

In light of all the things the bible has to say about sodomy and men lying with men: and women with women ( not counting all the other sins the bible mention) How so you justify this behaver and still believe that you are in good standing with the True and living God?

This question is not being asked to ridicule gays. It is trying to understand the mindset that allow for same sex and not feel quilty. One other thing: When Jesus died to forgive you of your sins, what sins were he speaking of? They are the sins of the OT that transgress against God. The righteous are above the law because they do not serve sin;and the law is made for the lawless.

Answer 1

The Bible says so many things and so much of it by 99% of the Christian community is taken with a grain of salt. Unless you are a Biblical Literalist, you probably do to. Think about it this way. The Bible is a God-inspired, blessed book that's supposed to give us the guidelines of how to live our lives. Unfortunatly it was written by mankind. Even inspired mankind is still mankind, and then the books we have as the Bible today are an edited version created by a council of religous leaders. You have to think about when the book was written and by who, so many things have changed since then arguably for the better or the worse.
As a bi-Christian I see the Bible as a basis of good-descion making, I understand the how and why of most of the book however I can't be sorry for who or how I love, and I don't feel like God would ask that of me. Besides that I've got the same issues with whether or not animals have souls the Catholic Bible says no. I say yes.
And if and it's a big if, judgment comes and God proves to me what I've done was against the rules, then I'll know, and expect an explanation, but only then would I repent for loving, heck if then. I've always thought there had to be more then one reason why one-third of he heavenly host fell.

Answer 2

Alot of the Old Testament stories are a hodge podge of ancient myths . Similar to the Iliad and the Odyssey . Laws that seemed important at the time were put in the mouth of a scary God who made the scary thunder etc. But it was very primitive , irrational and superstitous men who made up these tales .

Answer 3

We must have different Bibles. For one thing, mine is spelled with a capital "B". For another, mine is hundreds and hundreds of pages long and only mentions sodomy once and men lying with men a couple of times and nothing at all about women with women. And Christ Himself never mentions it at all. So, as a CHRISTIAN, I'm not nearly as obsessed over it as you seem to be.

Answer 4

Jesus Christ never said a word about homosexuality, but He on many occasions said that an individual who divorced and remarried is living in adultery so long as they live. Interesting how people want to interpret the Bible in ways that exonerate them in their sin, but they are not at all willing to examine carefully Scriptures that are used to falsely condemn a group of people. You need to study the passages you are eluding to, because you are in fact ignorant of any true understanding as to what any one of them are referring to. I have a group here on Yahoo that examines all these issues located at... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ComeOutBelieving/
RevChasM

Answer 5

The Bible also has things to say about gluttony, greed, gossip, and backbiting. Do you really believe that you are better than any other sinner? That would be 'Pride'. We ALL have weaknesses, and we ALL must deal with them as best we can.


not gay, but aware of Scripture.

Answer 6

God's Grace covers all sin. Period. There isn't anything you have to "do" to be in good standing, except as a Christian, asking Jesus to forgive you of your sins, Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord...then, you will be saved.

As a Christian, we should strive to live our life upright and above reproach...but 100% of us will never accomplish this perfectly. So, God's Grace is sufficient for all of us. We all will be judged at some point and will have to give account of all the things we have done. Then Jesus will stand before us as our atonement and our sins will be as far as the East is from the West.

So there's hope for all of us for sure!

Answer 7

He or She created me in His/Her image but did NOT write a single word in the Bible. By the by, there are 10 Commandments, not 11. Have you personally ever broken just one of those commandments? Well, we certainly wont be seeing you with our Heavenly Father/Mother. See I can pass judgment too !

Answer 8

Because I do not lie with a man as one would do with a woman....there are a whole lot of other positions we can do. I just know that because of that verse missionary is out of the question. So therefore, I know I am not going against the Lord and I am doing exactly what He said.

On another note, why are people like always obsessed with the sex lives of people like me (homosexuals that is)?

Answer 9

"The true and living God" has nothing to do with a book of pre-modern myths.

Yes, the Bible truly is fiction. The fact that you have not bothered to ascertain that, and are not actually willing to dialog rather than assert and declaim indicates that you are some form of biblio-idolator. While a very present religion at the moment in America -- Biblio-idolatry, masquerading as a form of Christianity, has no place in the historic Church.

The canon of the Bible was not formalized until the Council of Carthage -- when it affirmed a resolution of the synod of Hippo recognizing a group of books drawn together and claimed as divine by Bishop Anathasius. Anathasius did not even coin the word canon until 327 and the Council of Carthage did not formalize the list approved by Hippo until the 390s, and then sent it on to "the Church across the sea" (Rome) for the Pope's approval.

There are no full copies of what is now considered scripture until the 4th century. There are two copies from the 4th century (Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus) together with hundreds of manuscript fragments of various forms (Papyrus and Vellum Manuscripts and Vellum Palimpsests). Overall there are over 5000 copies of at least part of the present canonical Bible that are from the sixth century or earlier. These range from a few verses to whole books, to Bibles that were read in churches. According to Dr. Bart Ehrman, one of the foremost experts in the world on Textual criticism and Textual reconstruction, those manuscripts have between them at least 200,000 differences. Some of those differences are minor, or meaningless -- but some are very important and would change core Christian doctrines like the Virgin birth of our Lord and his divinity -- among others.

One does not need to be an expert to see that the Bible is fiction, and not the Word of God however. Even the American Bible Society explains scriptural accreation as starting with Hebrew tribesmen telling stories around a campfire. That is exactly where the earliest parts of the Bible started -- then it was expanded through midrash and so forth.

Looking at the received texts, the idea of Sola Scriptura becomes evidently ludicrous. The Bible says that the world has corners (Isaiah 11:12) and that it sets on pillars (I Samuel 2:8). It says that God accepted a human sacrifice -- he may have prevented Isaac's, but he allowed a general to sacrifice his own daughter without even a murmur, the text giving tacit support to the idea that having given his word, the man had to kill his child. (Judges 11:30-39). It clearly maintains that genocide is often commanded by God (Joshua 10:40-42 and I Samuel 15: 2, 3 and 8) and that, after killing all the adults in a race, taking the female children as sex slaves is permissible (Numbers 31: 17-18).

The God revealed by the Bible is not only both a liar who doesn't know the natural laws of his own world, and a monster, as shown above -- but he has no real regard, even for his own people, whom he forces into cannibalism (Leviticus 26: 27-29) when he is mad at them; or his priests, whose faces he wipes with dung (Malachi 2:1-3).

It is not only gays and lesbians that are hated by bible-god. This monstrosity also suggests killing kids who eat or drink too much (Deuteronomy 21: 18-21), and says that if he is angry with parents he will kill their children (Leviticus 26:22) and he blames things upon children whose great-great-great grandfathers committed the things being blamed on the kids (Exodus 20: 5).

Putting it in a word, bible-god is a monstrosity, a horrific demiurge of evil. Something that even he admits ( Isaiah 45:7 ) [Furthermore, the word used in Hebrew for evil, the word ra' is widely conceded to mean a number of different things: It can mean "wickedness," "mischief," "bad," "trouble," "hurt," "sore," "affliction," "ill," "adversity," "harm," "grievous," and "sad." So no matter what particular interpretation is given of this word -- it has profoundly negative implications. The idea that god is sovereign over the affairs of man makes this even worse, because no matter what interpretation it has, it indicates that bible-god deliberately does harm.]; evil about which he sometimes changes his mind (Exodus 32:14). What a font of unchanging morality -- that almighty God can decide to kill an entire people, and then be talked out of it by a human servant... Furthermore, it is obvious, if God can change his mind, then even if the Bible were not full of errors and horrors, you could not trust that God had not changed his mind on any other issue in it.

So, yes, I suppose if one wants to take as truth a book that says that beetles have four legs instead of six (Leviticus 11: 21-23) and that rabbits chew their cud [which they do NOT] (Deuteronomy 14:7) and if you are willing to, having accepted it as truth, overlook the fact that bible-god routinely changed his mind (I can show you other instances if you wish) then yeah, I suppose its words would matter and gays are in trouble.

However, to assert that all Christians believe in biblio-idolatry is false. Christianity is about faith in Christ, something that predated the Bible by hundreds of years. I do not think that a book of bronze age myths owing heavily to the Sumerian and Egyptian mythology in the Old Testament and to a collection of pagan faiths, particularly Mithraism in the New Testament, matters at all.

Christianity is centered around love, faith in Christ, and Eucharist. At best the Bible might be sacred because of its place in the life of the early-middle church, and should be regarded as holy myth -- stress on the myth. And what is a myth? It is fiction.

So its really easy for a person who believes in Christ to be gay. It's a bit harder for those caught up in idolatry and the worship of an old book.

Regards,

Reynolds
Schenectady, NY
http://www.rebuff.org
[e-mail]

Answer 10

My favorite anime has a quote in it that I figure will help you like it did me.

"If humans don't want me, why did they create me?!" --Naomi Armitage ("Armitage III")

I feel the same about God. If God supposedly hates bi/homosexuals and trans-gender/sexuals, then why did He create them? I don't think God would make someone gay just so He could make them miserable by turning his/her Christian brothers/sisters against them. It doesn't make sense to me.