A masculine lesbian was kicked out of a Greenwich Village restaurant?

Question

after a bouncer - who believed she was a man - saw her in the ladies' bathroom, the woman charged yesterday.
Khadijah Farmer said she felt humiliated by her experience at Caliente Cab Co. on Seventh Ave., Sunday shortly after the city's gay pride march.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/06/30/2007-06-30_lesbian_riled_by_boot_from_ladies_room-2.html

No one, including the trans community, seems to get upset when this sort of thing happens to “a real tranny”. It’s simply accepted that the trans community has no right to use a public toilet in this country. Yet when someone else is treated this way, it warrants both mention and a photo in the New York Daily News, and a law suet.
What if anything is this article saying about the transgender and/or the LGBT community as a whole’s acceptance of this?
Khadijah Farmer said she felt humiliated by her experience yet the trans community just seems to accept this sort of thing as day-to-day normal.

Answer 1

The best the bouncer should have done was take the woman aside, ask for LEGAL PHOTO ID, with 'birth sex', before asking for why she was in the ladies room. IF the person is a male to female in transition, she will have a LEGAL MEDICAL letter stating that. Humiliating at best but better than being tossed into jail for going into the 'wrong' washroom which can happen in some states, and or countries.

What the bouncer has done is put egg on his face and that of his employer, and or place of employment.

Answer 2

As far as the toilet use and transsexual, it is a problem that one may face out and about. As a pre-op transsexual (yes, I am forced to call myself that for the sake of this argument) toilet use has happened to me numerous times since I am living full time for some time now. I use the ladies of course. I have not had an incident but it could happen and my ID still states my sex/gender as male. We don't have a right to use any toilets while we are out and about. A public toilet maybe, but toilets in markets are not necessarily public and can be off limits to store patrons. At this time I am still legally male and when I enter the ladies toilet I am a man using the ladies toilet. I am assuming here that you are only talking about pre-op transwomen and toilet use.

So, as far as a pre-op transwoman, toilet use is a problem and is where gender neutral toilets is an answer. Maybe not the only answer, but an answer that can work. Are you also saying that post-op transwomen could be kept from using the ladies loo? If some of the idiotic laws that the HRC is supporting, ENDA for example, that could well be the case. As far as I know, I have not heard about a post-op transwoman being refused to use the ladies toilet, or asked to leave a ladies toilet. If you do, please reference them.

Answer 3

She has a case against the restaurant, that is for sure...if she decides to pursue it...that is expensive litagation. I, for one, have used the women's room many times if the men's line is long and there is no one in or at the women's room...so sue me. A toilet is a toilet..big deal. I will admit that the first time I did this, I was disgusted at how dirty women keep a public bathroom...paper everywhere, on the floor, kotex thrown on the floor,...ug...what is with this kind of behavior. Men's rooms are not like this in any way, shape or form!

Answer 4

It is sad the way Transgendered people are treated by society. There was also a case of Tyra Hunter. Ms. Hunter was involved in an automobile accident, and when rescue workers discovered she was transgender, they backed away and stopped administering treatment. She later died in hospital

Transgender people depend largely on the medical profession to receive not only hormone replacement therapy and eventually sex reassignment surgery, but also other vital care. Often it can be difficult for gender patients to receive proper health care and treatment, because medical gatekeepers who are transphobic (or who misunderstand the nature of gender identity disorder) will refuse to administer necessary treatment; in at least one case that included the refusal to treat Robert Eads, a transman, for ovarian cancer, of which he subsequently died

Answer 5

If you look like a man. and she does, this kind of stuff is going to happen. Period. The only way it wont is to have co bathrooms and I don't think many people would be comfortable with that.

Answer 6

I don't think that anyone, including trans genders should ever accept that as "just a way of life"

if you have to f$#!ng pee, you have to $#!ng pee. end of story.

**Edit**
I, myself stand up for trans genders, but some of you have to learn to stand up for yourselves! Never, ever just take that kind of treatment. Stand proud of who you are.

**Edit again .. lol sorry**
Just because a woman is butch, you can tell its a woman! Don't get me that crap! She has breasts, she has a womans shape, she has a womans jawline, she doesn't have an adam's apple, etc etc.. are people just THAT stupid? I am not masculine, but I often dress and act somewhat androgynous.. I seriously got called "Sir" once.. what an idiot! i have DD breasts, all you have to do is peer down for one second to see that I am DEFINETLY woman. i even have a feminine face.. but because i dress like a tomboy and keep short hair i am suddenly a boy? lmao. people are SOOOO ignorant.

Answer 7

Well, there was a woman in Montreal, Canada who was drinking beer with her father in a gay bar patio, and was asked to leave, because they told her that the bar was only for gay men.

Answer 8

This is bulllshit, a person using bothe female and male restrooms?...Do you realize how stupid this sounds?

Answer 9

Question with a question, if she is 'transgendered'
why wasn't she using the 'men's bathrm.?
It was an understandable mistake on the bouncers
part.

Answer 10

Tell me about it, we all watch Wimbledon !