Is the second amendment a group right, like the ACLU says?

Question

And why would the founders put in the bill of rights a right for the government to have? Weren't they all for restricting the government's power over the people? One would think that the second amendment would be contrary to every other right that the people retained. Well, smart people, anyway.

Answer 1

the second amendment is there for two reasons. to help defend ourselves against foreign and domestic invaders and to keep our government from getting out of hand. it's a safeguard against an out of control government.

Answer 2

Most people do not understand the second amendment.

The problem is there is a collective view and an individual view. Both of which contain good points and bad points.

Basically the second amendment is collective because an individual is only protected in keeping arms for the militia and serving in the militia. This is so the militia can never be destroyed by the federal government. These are both social responsibilities rather than anything selfish. You may go hunting with your guns because you want to, but this is not protected by the 2A for example.

The individual side is that an individual has the "right" to keep guns, and to bear arms in the militia. However it can be limited, after due process because these people are considered to have gone against society, and therefore won´t protect society when the time of need comes about.

People attempt to say that bearing arms is carrying arms, not so, carry and conceal is not protected, hunting is not protected. This does not mean that the government can infringe upon these things, nor that people cannot do them, it means the second amendment does not protect them.

Answer 3

No, in the first place, people have rights, the government has powers and authorities. Why would a government that already had the authority to raise an army under the original unamended constitution feel the need to write a second amendment to make government ownership of guns legal? Absurd.

Secondly,the ACLU knows damn well who "the people" are in the First Amendment. Whenever they claim "the people" in the Second Amendment is referring to someone else they reveal what a bunch of lying hypocritical slugs they are.

Answer 4

No. They would have nothing to do with trying to work for less taxing and spending, or eliminating the minimum wage law, other examples of regulating how employers treat their employees, or scaling back stringent environmental regulations. In the Griswold v. Conn. case, 1965, the Sup. Ct. said "we are met with a wide range of questions that implicate the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Overtones of some arguments suggest that Lochner v. New York, should be our guide. But we decline that invitation. ... We do not sit as a super-legislature to determine the wisdom, need, and propriety of laws that touch economic problems, business affairs, or social conditions. This law, however, operates directly on an intimate relation of husband and wife and their physician's role in one aspect of that relation." Libertarians do not say "however" and change the topic of when they do not like government regulations.

Answer 5

Those who oppose gun ownership are either mentally deficient, mentally blind, or just plain stupid.

Had the founding fathers of this country not had guns there would not have been a revolutionary war. The founders realized that a government in itself is toothless it is when men get in there and try to force their will on others that problems arise. When this happens you have two choices 1. accept it and move on or 2. Fight back. When the British tried to force the colonies to pay taxes yet refused to give them a voice in the government They fought back with guns. The founders realized that one day we may need to fight back against the government they were creating.

"The right of self-defense never ceases. It is among the most sacred, and alike necessary to nations and to individuals."
President James Monroe (November 16, 1818)

Answer 6

the ACLU does not state that the government is the only ones allowed to have guns,they are somewhat neutral. when were you denied your second amendment rights? i'm assuming you are not a felon.

added. "the people" is all of us ,a group if you think about it.

Answer 7

Yes, the 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms is a group right, It gives each of us the right to defend freedom against groups that would take freedom from us...

Answer 8

NEW MOTTO FOR THE aclu ...... Abandon the search for the truth ; we`ve settled for a never ending fantasy...

Answer 9

"Guns are liberty's teeth."- George Washington

Answer 10

1-10 are right in my opinion.

Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

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