Are the same people who advocate gun control also those who are against the Patriot Act?

Question

If so, like me, you don't want government controlling your life, right? You feel that the Patriot Act has taken away your constitutional rights? However, at the same time feel that law abiding citizens shouldn't have the right to bear arms and those rights should be taken away? Am I correct in my assumption?

So for some, not all of you, if it the Patriot Act takes away YOUR rights, but you advocate gun control, you don't mind taking away the rights of others?

Laughterhealing, I asked this question not to validate my own feelings. I am totally against the government controlling my life. However, there have been all kinds of gun control advocates and I just want to see how many hypocrites are out there.

Answer 1

good morning young lady.

I think you missed a key point here, what "they" are talking about is their rights not yours, you see the Marxists do not consider you to have any rights since you disagree with them.

SO when they say things like this, an obvious hypocritical statement, to them it is not because they are the only ones they consider to have rights.

EDIT: just read the answers so I have to add comments.

When the 2nd amendment was written citizens armed themselves with the latest development in defense that was available and this included cannons. We have the right to own fully automatic weapons and we should have some, you should, I do. Of course they have to be registered which I believe is a violation of my rights. We should be able to own whatever we can afford. In fact I believe it is my right and the government should arm me for free.

The Patriot Act does not impact me in any negative way. I talk to people overseas almost daily and I do not care if someone is tapping that call because I am not doing anything that I would hide in this day and time. In fact this is a key element in defending our country from terrorists and their supporters here and abroad, given this fact I am amazed that any AMerican is against it. My guess is they are not against it really, they are against the fact that Bush did it. When FDR did it was fine, when clinton did it they were fine, so I believe those who say they are against it but cannot articulate a valid reason are really just against bush.

Answer 2

I support Ron Paul because I support the Liberty and the Constitution. The war in Iraq is not Constitutional. The PATRIOT Act is not Liberty. Torture and war is not the America the founding fathers hope to build. Ron Paul is the only real Republican, something that has not been seen for a long long time. The real republicans oppose nation building and wars. He is for limited government and fiscal responsibility. He's for a non-interventionist foreign policy (meddling in foreign affairs is what's gotten us into these messes). And most important, he has been 100% consistent over a 30 year voting record. The other Republican candidates are just more of the same, or worse. They aren't real Republicans. They are looking to expand government in all the wrong ways. They want to continue the immense spending which will eventually bankrupt our country. They continue to think that they can democratize the world using the barrel of a gun. And they also want to continue the inexorable erosion of our rights. These can not and should not be the goals for this country. Ron Paul has actually made me change my party affiliation to Republican. Why? Because the differences between the democrats and the republicans are few, and this country needs to get back to its roots. ~X~

Answer 3

Again - Nice Spin.
The truth is.. Gun Control does Not mean Abolishing Guns.

The last time we passed "Gun Control" legislation was when a Republican was President (remember when Reagan was shot? The Brady Bill ?) and yes, I know that bill didn't work out, but it didn't hurt the 2nd amendment did it ?

Just because some of us want to put additional controls on guns does not mean we don't support the 2nd amendment.

One current example of gun control is that you can't buy fully automatic weapons. That's a very good form of gun "control" because we don't want people to have machine guns.

Also - Who said that the Patriot act has "taken away your constitutional rights" ? Infringed - Maybe. But taken away ?

If you Assume, you make an A*S out of U and ME.

And if you have to put words into peoples mouths to make your argument then maybe you point is weak.

I am very much for Amendment II of the Constitution and I am for "some" forms of gun control.

Answer 4

Again, like most people, I think you're trying to lump us all in one sort of cluster or another. I don't think people, in truth and in LIfe are "Cluster-able" as the Media, Administration, Spin Doctors etc would have us think.

There are many people who believe that the Patriot Act is diminishing our personal liberties, which it undoubtedly is....and there are those who do not. Some of the people who believe it is not, want their guns and feel fine about the law as it, for whatever reasons, doesn't perhaps apply to their gun ownership.

Others know nothing of either and could care less about any.

Still others know only that they have their guns and they have the right to bear them until someone tells them differently and only then will they begin to "see red".

Most people pay little attention.

Lots of people pretend to pay attention.

Some people actually write letters to congress or march on Washington with or without a "clue", when they feel their rights are being violated.

Others simmer and stew and do nothing.

My question to you is Why are you Asking this? Are you seeking validation for your beliefs? Do you just want to be right...and maybe just be Right with a bunch of other people?
I'm just a little confused over why you're asking this in the way you are asking it. It doesn't appear you are looking for an answer but rather a validation.

Answer 5

I am for gun control, but in no way do I want to take guns away from law abiding citizens. There are a lot of different types and approaches to gun control. And many can be done without affecting any law abiding citizen's rights. The Patriot Act does in fact infringe on law abiding citizen's rights.

Answer 6

There isn't a one-to-one correlation between the two stances.

You may feel that you don't like the Patriot Act because of reasons that have nothing to do with a citizen's civil liberties. One of the main reasons to dislike the Patriot Act is because of the overstep of the executive branch in the balance of powers. Another reason may be that there are too many riders attached to the Patriot Act, such as the right to declare American citizens as enemy combatants.

Additionally, you may be opposed to guns not because of the idea of removing the right to bear arms. You may be concerned with the amount of gun violence in America. You may be concerned with youth and guns. You may also be against the profiteering by the gun and ammunition companies. I know that gun control is a very difficult debate in the US, while the opposition to the Patriot Act is pretty popular.

There isn't a correlation.

Answer 7

The Patriot Act is an abomination against our Constitution. It does take away your rights. There are some parts that were needed such as allowing one federal agency to share data with another. The rest is just garbage and a power grab. By the way the only good gun control I know is sight picture and trigger control.

To paraphrase an old English quote

A man with a gun is a citizen, a man with out a gun is a subject.

Answer 8

We *ALL* advocate gun control - its just a matter of degree.
Do you want American citizens walking around with nuclear
tipped war heads?

It comes down to degree - and I think right now, the concept
that a citizen should be entitled to have sufficient force to
deter the state is ludicrous ... when the state has nuclear war
heads.

It is a different world than our Constitution writers grew up in.
If we were strict Constitutionalist, we should allow people to
have muskets ... and nothing more.

However, I am happy with people having what is necessary
to kill to eat, and nothing more.

The question periodically appears: When the bad guy is
roaming my neighborhood and I hear the tinkle of glass
downstairs, don't you wish you had a gun in the house.

No, my spouse would probably hit me even if not aiming
for me.

Would it be OK to post a big banner in the front lawn
saying that this house doesn't have a gun?

Absolutely. Its amazing what you can do with a frying pan
and bathroom chemicals...

Answer 9

I would like all of those that run around like "Chicken Little" shouting,"They want to take my gun away from me", to show some documented proof that anyone bears that intention.
I am a LIBERAL, I legally own and posses seven hand guns, from.22cal to.44cal mag. I do not feel threatened by gun control advocates. If the police knocks on my door and wants to see my guns, this is no different than the same officers wanting to see my license and registration. If I am not breaking the law, I have no cause for concern. So, get over it about gun control.
Ever read the patriot act, even know what P-A_T_R_I_O_T stands for? LOOK IT UP, then share your opinion.

Answer 10

The Patriotic Act is a tool for combatting terrorism just like social programs were a tool for combatting the great depression. Neither is meant to be permanent.

Those who want gun control are talking about a permanent change in our constitutional rights, which I find unacceptable.

The Patriot Act has to be renewed and when we have defeated Al Qaeda and islamofascism, then we can do away with the Patriot Act.

Lincoln suspended habeus corpus but never intended for that to be permanent. Same idea with the Patriot Act and wiretapping.

Answer 11

I do not advocate gun control (except for certain automatic weapons) and I'm against the Patriot Act. I think everybody who isn't mentally ill and otherwise law-abiding, should be able to own firearms, but Uzzis don't belong in private hands. The Patriot Act disgusts me.