The founding Fathers were very aware of the horrors of the European religious wars, the last ending in 1715. Tens of thousands of people died and hundreds of thousands of people were dispossessed because of a belief that the people had to follow the religion of the "prince" or were otherwise considered disloyal.
This is the reasoning from the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom, one of Thomas Jefferson's proudest accomplishments:
"... the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavouring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time..."
If you get to know some legislators, as I have, the idea of these guys doing anything to affect the way we worship is both threatening and stomach-turning.
If you have a chance, read Thomas Jefferson's Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom.
2007-07-04 05:22:22
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answered by Prof. Cochise 7
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First of all, the bs about comparing the results of having no seperation of church and state with the middle east is a grave misrepresentation of countries that allow religion in their government.
Costa Rica doesnt have the seperation and they also have no army.
When the founding fathers created the idea of seperation of Church from State, back in Europe the Church was extremely power hungry and corrupt and was acting as a huge political figure in order to gain more control. Their intention for the seperation of church and state was NOT to erradicate religion or spirituality from society, it was not to keep children from praying in schools, or to stop people from wishing each other a merry christmas at work. It was mainly to keep the church out of politics and politics out of the church.
I believe that the original intentions of the seperation of church and state have been perversely skewed to the point of fascism. Now it seems like instead of allowing people to practice their religions, we are condeming them for doing so.
In an ideal world, there should be no seperation of spirituality and government, because I can't see how you can seperate your spiritual beliefs with how you govern a country, because god is life, and all aspects of life and it is contradictory to try and govern a country by these new regulations of extreme political correctness where no trace of spirituality can be felt. It is an insult and it is arrogant to deny the great spirit in everyday life, I don't care what form of god you believe in, in essence its all the same, and it needs to be respected, not ignored.
This country was not founded on athiesm. it is not natural to be an athiest. If you cant look around and realize that what surrounds you is god, then you are a lost soul. Belief in a supreme being was never meant to be taken out of society. Political correctness gone out of control is not what seperation of church from state was meant to be.
2007-07-07 01:12:19
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answered by Elisabeth G 1
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Of course, and it would be un-American not to. It's the first clause in the First Amendment in the Bill of Rights for a very good reason. Many of our forefathers came here to escape religious persecution, so they wanted to prevent persecution here. It says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...". Anyone who doesn't understand that, or thinks that it's possible to have freedom of religion without separation of church and state, must be the result of a tragic failure of the American educational system.
2007-07-06 13:52:42
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answered by ConcernedCitizen 7
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I believe in separation of church and state but from both directions. The Church should have no say in the Government and the Government should have no say in what Churches do, or think, or preach. Interference from either end is bad but nearly impossible.
The idea is mainly used to keep the religious from influencing the Government, but it was originally brought up by Jefferson to keep the Government from dictating to the Church
2007-07-03 05:38:42
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answered by Numen 3
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As was mentioned, the first people here came here for religious freedom before establishing anything like a State
in the governmental sense.
the better things like this are divided, the better the option for control.
tferg58- the constitution does not mention the separation of church and State...see Thomas Jefferson's writings.
2007-07-03 20:23:07
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answered by sirbobby98121 7
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Yes. The State is to form a law to govern all the people.
Choice of church is individual, and the US offers us this freedom!
2007-07-03 04:05:11
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answered by canyonview11 3
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because of freedom of religion. america is influence by christianity but is not a christian country...(first amendment). if america let church and state join it wouldn't be america anymore! suddenly me and many others would be forced to believe, pray and worship to a god i dont believe in! it wouldn't be the "land of the free". and throughout history we have seen lots of problems with church and state being equally in power....a good example today is the middle east....not exactly peaceful or tolerant of others.
2007-07-03 04:06:19
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answered by Anonymous
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Yes because people live in the state that don't believe in religion.
2007-07-03 03:57:19
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answered by Anonymous
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Barring any personal agenda for your question , the first thing that I would point out is that churches were first established long before any state was, Secondly , I would point out that the Declaration of Independence is in fact the basic and fundamental priciple for the existence of America , the US Constitution wasn't even ratified until many years after we had gained our freedom as free people and there was no US CONSTITUTION around to rally the people .When from the first line you understand that this revolution is declared based upon the laws of nature and the God of that Nature and these actions are taken to protect and provide for the welfare of these peoples you see a cogregation formed for a purpose under the power and rule of a Supreme Being. I'm not going to follow in the footsteps of raving mobs waving banners declaring God is dead and that america is for the People not just some of them .I am 1/2 Native american , 1/4 Scot and 1/4 Irish , my perspective is somewhat different than most but most importantly at no time do I leave God out of my undertanding of the birth of this nation called America.Furthermore , my ancestors, from across the sea, also fought the hated Bristish and were persecuted and exiled to various parts of the world to which they now lay glorious alocades upon for existing. You people whom have chosen to base your claim of this famed " Wall of Seperation " are in no shape, form, or fashion any different than the nation that was fought to obtain these " inalienable " rights. You are no different than those of the Sanhederin that demanded the blood of Christ be shed to cover their ungodly and perverted ways.You bear tjhe mark of Cain , innocent blood stains your hands and lies leap from your lips like frogs from a lily.You even cry out like Cain in your shame, whining about getting killed for what you've done, grant me special favor as a " special interest " group, don't let them kill me for my crime against you GOD ! Death is your faith, from supporting abortion to wanting to make it lawful to legally molest our children ( NAMBLA ) without punishment. You spit on men and women who have fought to preserve that which 3/4 of America voluntarily fought and died to preserve. I pity you , WHY , because it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of a fierce and vengefiled God and that you will . Have your days for they shall proceed no further than you live today and in those final moments I pray you have complete understanding of why you deserve what awaits you . As satan did innumerable times , you take out of context the words of Gods messengers, this famous "WALL" is not any part of our government , but a notion that the writer of the Constitution , Thomas Jefferson , considered in a private letter only. You consider yourself annointed to do justice where you perceive injustice prevails, you want special priviledges for the covering of your dark and despicable ways. May your justice be equal to your injustice and disbelief.
2007-07-03 06:05:47
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answered by tferg58 1
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i feel that church state doesn't matter either way it should be your individual choice and don't spread it too others care about yourself and what it is in your heart and beliefs and don't try to sanction others coalition to ban the coalition people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
2007-07-03 04:01:48
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answered by sselepoh roticman 1
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