That is the gift... Choice...
The whole universe exist at this time with everything in it that makes it up including the Earth so you can live and choose...
The miracle of life.. Don't waste it
2007-06-27 14:26:13
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answer #1
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answered by Anonymous
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Logic is merely a model of a situation where propositional truths are involved.
It is similar to the principle that a mathematical system may be a model for a physical system.
However, the model is not the thing - the map is not the territory.
To model something, one has to use the correct model to get a correct answer, to use a wrong model will yield a wrong answer.
To give an example of this, you may state the inference that if it rains, the sidewalk will be wet - now that can be considered a model of it actually raining with a physically wet side walk as a result - now where that model would not work is if the sidewalk were covered with a canopy - so to have an appropriate model for that, extra logical elements would have to be introduced to the model to make it work properly.
If you say that logic shows that God does not exist, then from my perspective, the logical model you are using is faulty, because from my perspective, God does exist - that is, if it is true that God exists, and your logic says that He doesn't, then the logical model that you are using is faulty.
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2007-06-27 11:43:12
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answer #2
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answered by canx_mp058 4
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In my opinion, God instills individuals with logic even if
the individual might choose to disbelieve in God because
it is not necessarily God which is logically disbelieved,
but the representation of God. Logic provides us with
the potential to interpret the world for ourselves and
to observe our subjective representation of God's
presence. I might encounter anyone walking down
the street who claims they come in the name of God,
but logically I might be highly likely to dispute the
validity of that representation without proof. This
leads to the question is free will's representation
"of God". More specifically, does God's granting
of free will imply God's condoning of actions which
result from free will. In my opinion, we are all individually
free, so each of us has the capacity to respond
appropriately to every encounter. If an individual
behaves in a way that another individual deems
inappropriate then free will provides the other
individual to response with subjective appropriateness.
In effect, God's involvement balances to a neutral
opportunity. Therefore, logically, I use my discretion
when deciding if I want to believe or disbelieve a
representation of God.
2007-06-27 11:28:33
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answer #3
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answered by active open programming 6
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I will attempt to use logic to break down and answer this
t here goes.
I think a big part of this dilemma is that one must define god before one can believe in "him".
If you are referring to a christian god, then perhaps there lies an answer more closely related in the external influence of Satan, that inclines you not to believe in god, however good luck then getting you to belive in Satan.
If you mean a god in general, a creator of some sort, a force or entity then your question muct split between believing in a god that exists, or a god that not only exists, but actually cares about us.
All this being said, i'm going to assume you mean the latter, because that's where most people end up. Questioning not the very existance of god, since that doesn't really matter, but whether or not, he cares for us. Of course i mean Him/he disambiguously, since god has no sex, and alternatley could very well be a woman or some asexual being.
This finally brings us more closely to the question, not if god is real, or even if he cares, but lets get down and dirty, Am I going to burn in a lake of fire and brimstone for all eternity?
Isn't this really the question on everyone's mind?
Can't we just alll get along? Do unto others... Shouldn't this be enough?
You have created a paradox, that exists only for certain christians, since others do not believe in logic. I'm not sure, but I've had several christian preachers try to convince me "through the logic" that "god cares about me, and want me to do well" or the logic, that "god made me a perfect self healing being" and i even had one door to door guy, who I invited in to have coffee with me while he tried to sell me bibles and cigarettes, attempt to convince me that tobacco was put here on earth by god, and that smoking was good because my alvioli would heal, just as god had intended for smokers. I bought the cigarettes, i mean for christs sake right.
What about the logic of being happy, now it gets interesting, of course logically God want's you to be happy. So if this question makes you unhappy, by pushing away from social aspects of society as the church offers, and so what if you are so smart that you've figured it all out and have defeated yourself in the process, because now your miserable, cause there's no heaven and no true love, just LIE to Yourself and get on with. You'll be happier.
Blind faith my friend... what were we talking about? Oh yeah logic.. Love is not logical. God is love. God is not logical. God created logic, so logic is not logical. If p then q. Give logic up, and never think about this again, the only logical conclusion.
Alternately , the people who told you that instilled you with the ability to use logic, lied to you. They didn't really know that to be true. It just sounds good.
2007-06-27 11:39:15
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answer #4
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answered by Swampy 3
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I've always loved this quandary. If we were created in god's image, does that include the way our brains work? Why would a god create a people and then set down so much evidence to not be believe in him? My only answer is that if there is god it can't be much like the one most people worship.
The only scenario's that fit the facts all lead to much different theologies than we have today. The one closest to question, involves a god who created the world and encouraged the evolution of humanity with the intent of them discovering the truths about their universe. Kind of like creating a huge maze and dropping a couple mice in, to see if they can find their way out.
But this is just trying to justify a god, in the end I'm an atheist because it is so obvious that religion is a creation of man.
2007-06-27 11:27:43
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answer #5
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answered by Lew 4
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I have studied logic and I believe in God. Logic tell me all of this complexity could not have just happened. There had to be a guiding force. What we believe that guiding force is, well that is up to each of us to find.
Good luck on your journey
2007-06-27 17:39:32
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answer #6
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answered by Junior 4
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If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts...Albert Einstein.
I know exactly how you feel; it's frustrating, isn't it? Well, look at this, the following are the words of a Sage:
In the contemplation of His essence, our comprehension and knowledge prove insufficient; in the examination of His works, how they necessarily result from His will, our knowledge proves to be ignorance, and in the endeavour to extol Him in words, all our efforts in speech are mere weakness and failure!
Maimonides.
Now you tell me, if the sages could not do it, do you think we will? Tell you what, from now on, it's not logic anymore, it's LOLgic.
Good luck!0!
2007-06-27 11:43:56
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answer #7
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answered by Alex 5
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Until you have formally studied Logic, you don't know how to think, and this takes years. I know this, because I have done it. And people are born with a more innate sense of God, rather than relying on Logic.
Logic makes more sense when thinking out situations or winning disagreements.
2007-06-27 11:19:25
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answer #8
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answered by Big Bear 7
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It doesn't..
Logic does not incline you to disbelieve in God.
2007-06-27 11:39:12
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answer #9
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answered by black fox 3
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Other people with logic have been inclined to believe in God.
2007-06-27 11:20:02
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answer #10
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answered by Scifi Boy 4
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