So why only give equal rights to groups during a draft?

Question

So many people here think it is OK to draft women and gays, because those groups demand equal rights...YET DON'T RECEIVE THEM. So, why is it OK to draft a gay person, but not let them get married? Why is it OK to discriminate against women when they want to participate in combat, but not when it comes to a draft? And I am already aware that none of these hypocrites will show up to answer this question...

nicolas, you just used gender to discriminate. Nowhere in the constitution is marriage defined that way. Nice 'try'.

if marriage is not a right, it shouldn't be protected for ANYONE.

Brian, we will never know why the founding fathers didn;t write it in...I believe they didn;t write in abortion, because it was legal when the constitution was written...but we will never know for sure.

jdm, a large number of men have been captured in battles..perhaps we shouldn't then assign this as a 'male trait'. What makes you think a 'blond blue eyed woman' is the same as an 'a ss kicking zena warrior princess type'? My point is, to discrimintae against a woman because she is a woman is ridiculous.

6 foot 4 and 200 pounds is not that large...lol SO I guess we should make all men ALSO compete with a very large man? Or just the women...Did you want to write special rules for women?

Answer 1

Equal Rights should be across the board at all times regardless of the situation. Marriage should be allowed regardless of their sexual inclination. How does two gays marrying affect my marriage? It doesn't. If a woman wants to fight in combat and can meet the requirements she should be allowed.

Answer 2

I'm in favor of putting homosexuals into the draft pool but against two people of the same gender marrying each other. I really think gays have the same marriage rights that I do. I am allowed to marry a woman but not a man, why should their rights be different?

Gender in marriage is not mentioned in the Constitution because I'm am sure the founders couldn't imagine the possibility that this discussion would ever take place.

Answer 3

I'm very conservative myself.

I also say that if gays want to marry let 'em. If women and gays want to participate in combat taking the chance of getting their azz shot off, let 'em.
BUT! I don't want to hear ANY whining from gays or women when they break a nail or are on their period or when their panties get bunched up in a wad.
No whining by regular troops at all is allowed. So be it for gays and women.
That's what I call equal rights.

Answer 4

The equal rights that we demanded, was equal pay for equal work and to be able to work in a "man's world" without being discriminated against.

Living near a military base, that trains helicopter pilots, we have many women going through flight school, many who train new pilots and many who work on them as mechanics. :)

That's how I view equal rights. And I believe that should a draft be enacted, we should all we willing to serve our country. I include my own daughter in that and myself as well, unfortunately, I'm too old to be considered.

That to me is different than the personal side of things.

Answer 5

Although I understand at what you're getting at women in the modern military might not officially be on the front lines, yet they often have jobs that are equally equivalent and equally as dangerous. As for the gay part, under the current don't ask, don't tell policy I'd assume that if someone identified as gay during their military physical in a draft they would not be allowed in.

Answer 6

A grand comprehensive of two.7 million adult males and females people belonging to the U. S. defense force set foot in Viet Nam in the time of the Viet Nam conflict a million.7 million adult males have been drafted. 650,000 of the a million.7 million have been sent to Viet Nam. maximum that did flow have been wrestle hands of a few style. the army and Marines (40 3,000 draftees went to The Corps) have a similar jobs attainable through fact the civilian sector....including in all wrestle hands and direct wrestle help roles. definite, he would have been drafted in the two WWII, Korea or Viet Nam. Make all of it up. could be ordinary breezy for a fuzzbutt without defense force or writing journey!

Answer 7

I think that discriminating against women in combat situations is about as simple, and as common-sense as an issue can get.

We're fighting radical Islam, who've already turned misogyny into an art with their own women. What do you think they'd do if they got their hands on a blue-eyed, blonde-haired, female American soldier? It kind of sickens me even to think about it and what may've happened to that woman who was captured a few years back.

On top of that, it's not easy. Not saying that it has to be easy for women to do it, but for the majority of women, it'd be hard for them to physically compete with the abilities of a 6'4", 200 lbs man...I mean, honestly. I'm not trying to be sexist or all 'gung-ho, men rule', but do you really think that the large majority of women are capable of carrying a .50 caliper rifle through the desert AND firing it? If they are, well then, put them up there, but what I'm saying is, statistically, there aren't very many women who'd be willing and able to do a lot of the jobs in the front lines of battle.

Finally...this is ultra-old school I think...and maybe even a little mama's-boyish, but women should be protected and cared for, and not have to be in the position where we need them to step up to the front lines of battle. Women are nuturers and the sole reason for humanities existance (since, obviously, men can't make babies without them)...why would we sacrifice that?

As for gays in the military? Who the hell cares. If a gay guy wants to get married and join the military...so be it. Doesn't bother me, so I have no comment on the issue.


EDIT: I think you may have missed my point. There is an obvious disregard for captured soldiers, especially American soldiers in the Middle East. HOWEVER, based on their ideals and the 'laws' they dictate concerning women, it's very obvious that Radical Islam--our primary enemy right now--hold women in a special light...and not in a good way. To them, women are property and to be seen and not heard. Even upon visiting the country, women are to act in this manner.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fg-women6jun06,1,1469799.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage&track=crosspromo

Could you imagine what would happen if they caught an American woman? Blonde-haired, blue-eyed or not...it's not the traits that matter, it'd be the principle of capturing and holding an American woman...the complete antithesis to the Middle Eastern woman in Radical Islam.

Also, my 6'4", 200lbs guy was just an example. If a man steps up and is unable to contribute to the front lines in a safe and beneficial manner, then he as well should not be sacrificed just for the sake of putting someone up there. It's not about being a big guy, a man in general or anything. Like I said, if a woman is CAPABLE of doing front line grunt work and is WILLING to put herself in that kind of harm's way, than so be it...but statistically, odds are that not many women can fill that role...and there's nothing wrong with that.

Why can't some people accept that not EVERYTHING is equal? It doesn't make one any better than the other, it just means they're different. If you're so worried about women's and equal rights, then speak up against the women who have NO RIGHTS under Sharia Law.

Equal, equal, equal...doesn't anybody want to be different anymore? Should I demand the opportunity to sit on the sofa in the woman's room? We don't have one in or bathroom...so is it sexist? Maybe I can become a cop and do all of the pat-downs and frisks of women, and when they ask for a woman to do it instead, can I sue for a violation of equal rights? You know what too? I can't really afford Boyd's, but I wear pants and suits and am a guy...should I sue them too? Equal rights for equal sexes, regardless of income?

WTF. We're all gonna be wearing the grey jumpsuits in another decade or so...JUST TO BE EQUAL.

Answer 8

(For the record I am in favor of gay marriage)

Gay marriage is not a civil rights issue. In order for it to be an actual civil rights issue, I would have the right to do something that they do not have the right to do. Gays do have the right to get married to a member of the opposite sex, which is actually the same exact right I have. Their rights are in fact equal to mine, so to claim they do not have equal rights is false and one of the reasons it continously loses in court.

PS: I don't want to be drafted. I embrace my differences. lol

Answer 9

Of course, I am not one of the people who answered that question the way you are talking...

But I do not agree with your interpretation that "women and gays" are not "equal," simply because they are not a protected class.

The US has declined giving either women or homosexuals a "protected class," Constitutionally. But that is not the same thing as not being equal. Their rights as ordinary Americans are intact.

ADDED: The right to marry is sort of irrelevant concerning a draft, wouldn't you say? I don't think marriage is properly viewed as a "right." That is, I believe the government had to justify its "right" to get involved in marriage at all. And the only justification the state has to regulate marriage concerns offspring. I do not view marriage as properly an issue of civil rights. But even if you buy the civil rights argument, in Loving v. Virginia, the alternative application, which is that marriage cannot be denied on the basis of race, is still a valid state issue. Homosexuals do not fall into either category. One of the many reasons I am not a Liberal.

Answer 10

In the military PC Affirmitive action have to get tossed out the window...especially in combat roles...the short answer is if you can't carry your own weight and meet all requirements for combat MOS's you are out. The military still needs cooks and REMF types.