Nothing, everything, something?

Question

I suggest that, because language allows me, nothing is both something and everything, everything is both nothing and something, and something is both nothing and everything.

I also suggest that by the boundless nature of infinity, it must be nothing, and by the same nature nothing must also be infinite.

Further, i suggest that language is a terrible idea and 'things' are best understood without using it. But not many will agree. Certainly not people who are so keen to share their 'knowledge'

yes it hurts real bad. Bless you too. does it hurt to be so happy?

Answer 1

Awe bless you, does it hurt to be that sad?

Answer 2

I think you're onto 'something' there. Language is a very approximate way of communicating thought and we place far too much trust in it sometimes. However other forms of expression are even more ambiguous.

I agree that certain things are best understood or shared in other ways. For example music is a more direct expression of emotion but we all experience our emotions a little differently so we can't really learn anything specific from it.

Language certainly has its limits but its also very powerful. This whole site wouldn't exist without it. Even simple things like getting enough to eat and having a place to live are somewhat dependent on language.

I think you'd get a kick out of the song 'Language is a virus' by Laurie Anderson.

Answer 3

Why do you say that nothing is everything? I cannot understand your paragdim. This is how I see our use of these words. Nothing = no thing ( excluding the quantum plank field for conversations sake) Something = some thing. So, with these definitions I can not see how no thing is some thing. You speak of existence itself being a some thing. I see existence as an aspect of things that exist, but not the things themself. I think the confusion arises when we use the word existence in two different ways, One to describe the way the universe is (things and space), and the other way to describe only the things within the space. I cannot understand how nothing can exist, I have never experienced nothing, and if I where to experience nothing I suppose I wouldn't have anything to remember about it, and so could not give an account of my experience. Hmmmm. Interesting subject.

Answer 4

Not that it matters to you but I am not in conflict with your statement until the last paragraph. Unfortunately, I only have the 'knowledge' put here by society to use so it will have to do. Language is a terrible idea in that it is inadequate for expressing the idea of a 'thing' between supposed separate persons. One 'person' uses the knowledge from their society to create a synthetic linguistic symbol representing this 'thing', speaks this thing as a noise in it's known dialect and creates the expectation that the 'other person' is hearing and understanding. The 'other person' is conditioned by learning to overlook the noise and translate it into their known dialect or reject it, leverage the linguistic symbols against their own social knowledge and translate the idea into their own belief system. Whether or not they are 'perceiving' the same thing is questionable.
My only disagreement with your statement is that there is no other way to convey ideas in an imagined separate condition that culture is teaching us to live in.

Answer 5

You have misused the language because of the lack of concentration, it is the way of limited expressions, which we precieve from outside. The meanings are thus inside us, but to a limited extent we can express and thus do also understand from others from this limited speech or words, as you are reading this, just concentrate how many factors are working together, the main is what we are talking, rest we exclude because we are not concentrating on those points.

Nothing is nothing my dear, it is our sense of imagination which can assume anything which even doesn't exist. Thats why assumptions, doubts, illusions are the signs of ignorance and desease.

"Thing or Matter" is not infinite, but due to, our mind cannot calculate its magnitude as whole, then we have to assume that it is infinite, means too massive, too deep etc.

1) nothing is both something and everything:

The correct rational way to express what you are saying is "Even if we point out nothing we will in return prove something, hence Nothing is nothing in reality, where this word literally always used in context with some"thing".

And therefore it cannot be everything, because if you prove that by nothing you "no existence", then how you can proof yourself, so if you prove you are nothing too, then whom you are talking with.

My advice to you is, think others to be intellent too, may be at some degree, may be the view of others stronger then you, so when you feel that, try to grasp that and change your views with new facts, and I bet after some days you will think that these were your own views, and then you can promote your thinking abilities much faster and in right direction, by taking the intelligent human thoughts along with you.

This is perhaps you want to say but unable to express, see how meaningful this quote is "Meaning of words are not in words, they are in us".

Answer 6

For being such a terrible idea, you're using language pretty well. (Is language an idea? whose?)

Just because language allows you to do something doesn't make it true. Otherwise there'd be no such thing as falsehood - or truth, for that matter. Everything and nothing...indeed there's interesting thought in the paradoxes there, but "something" seems too particular a word. Unless there's more to what you want to - dare I say it? - SAY.

(By the way, I can't say I know a hell of a lot. I'm just calling it as I see it, trying to work through it.)

Answer 7

Wow! Most intelligent. There is nothing and nothing. Infinite nothing and nothing, not as in the absence of everything but as in the annihilation of two complete opposites. 0=2, 0=+1-1=2. Also, i agree that language is limitation.

Answer 8

I suggest that, since language will let me, everything you just said is completely relative and does not apply, even to you.

Sorry to be cynical, but people who mess with set definitions irritate me. Yes langauge is relative, and yes we know that by re-defining something you can prove that nothing can be proven. After you have finished that let's get back to the world where we agree that English is our language. If you have another form of communication that is easily understood and learned by the very high majority of human beings, I BEG of you to try to integrate it into society. However, seeing as how thousand of years of refining our communication has not provided such a form, I highly doubt that you have one.

Answer 9

As language has allowed you, it has also allowed me. If infinity is nothing and nothing is infinity then language too must, in and of itself be infinite and nothing. For if language were both nothing and infinite at the same time, so too must be nature. There is no language without nature and no nature without language. As language has allowed you, it has also allowed me. Language is important, more so for those whom seek to understand it.

Answer 10

Knowledge is what each one experience and can never pass as it was first experienced. Everything flows, never stays the same (Herakleitos). Even your question is not the same to me as it first was to you, has lost its strength from the moment you publicised it.
Even more...
Everything, everything, even the word everything is an idea stuck in ones mind which surelly is different in each man.
Your ideas, thoughts, questions, you, you are different for me from what you think you are.
My perception of things (and yours, and everybody's) gives something else to each and everyone of us.
The language we use is just giving us the chance to understand and communicate, for it's only the words that can slightly give meaning to what we feel, think etc in order to make sense to others and especially the ones we want to have close.
So, don't give up, or in, or wherever, after all it's all in your mind and in there you surelly can turn the world upside down.

Answer 11

Doesn't it really refer to the prefix you put in front of the word thing. As in no+thing=nothing, every+thing = everything and some+thing=something. All it amounts to is things. Some people have somethings compared to other people, some have everything compared to other people and still some have nothing compared to other people, still everyone has things. I disagree with you, language is a wonder enlightning idea.