Who thinks Pete Rose is being bent over and screwed by the MLB? I mean he's the man look at the stats...?

Answer 1

He should be in the Hall, cut and dry. It's juvenile that people still want to keep him out. I mean he has stuff already in Coopertown for Christ's sake! His stuff is good enough but he isn't? What kind of sense does that make! So he bet on baseball so what! The Hall is about stats not character. Too many people try to make the two go hand in hand. Throwing games and betting on your team are two different things. It has never been said that he ever bet "against" his team. And wasn't this done while he was a manager?

If you are going to keep people out because of character how about kicking out O.J. from Canton. Yeah he was a great player but certainly has character issues (murder). Yeah he was a great player but he killed a couple of people so what he did on the field is irrelevant. People often say I don't care about what he does off the field it only matters what he does on it. Why does this always seem to chance when people don't like a certain person's character.

Answer 2

Major league is following its rules, as mentioned above. A lifetime ban is called for as a result. The HOF is a different matter. MLB has no control over the Hall or the election/eligibility process. That's the BaseBall Writers Association of America (BBWAA). It is following the MLB's ban because it's convenient for them to sit back and say "The MLB banned him, so he can't get in the Hall." Not true. The sportswriters could vote him in at any time from the end of the five-year waiting period. Soon (maybe even this year, I don't remember) his 15-year ballot appearance limitation will kick in, and then the writers can say "Don't look at us. MLB kept him out of the Hall."

No matter how you feel about it, Pete's absence from the Hall was influenced by MLB, but decided and ENFORCED by the BBWAA.

Answer 3

Comparing steroid use to gambling is like comparing apples to oranges. The steroid use in MLB was rampant throughout the 90's and the early 2000's and technically the players who used steroids were not "cheating" at the time. They were not against the rules. Yes, they were against the law, but it is rediculous to compare using steroids to murder. What would you do if you were a 19 year old kid coming up and everyone around you was doing steroids? You want to make it to the big leauges and steroids are a quick way to a big paycheck. You see players like Giambi and Bonds winning MVP's after taking steroids and who wouldn't at least think about taking them? While unethical as it may be, I don't blame the players so much for the steroid problem, I blame MLB for not taking it seriously.

Rose's gambled on the games he managed in and, in doing so, broke the cardinal rule of the game. He completely removed intregrity of the games he bet on and managed in. He got the punishment that was prescribed to him by the rules of baseball. Baseball players have all kinds of character issues, but they rarely impact the integrity of the game of baseball in the way that Rose's infractions did.

Rose's punishment fit the crime. His stats speak for themselves, but he bet on baseball and he knew the punishment if he got caught. Leave him out.

Answer 4

The Hall of Fame and MLB are not necessarily one and the same - the Hall of Fame is a separate entity that receives support from MLB but there is no official or direct relationship.

This is important, because I think Rose's career clearly deserves Hall of Fame recognition, especially when considering some of the other characters in the Hall. But I do not think Rose should ever manage or be employed by a MLB team again.

Answer 5

He Should Without A Doubt Be In The Hall Of Fame. Yes he had some gambling issues but who cares. Look at the numbers. His gambling didnt affect him from getting so many hits. If you hit the ball that many times thats impressive and deserves to be recognized and enshrined. I hate when "off-field" activities affect players. Yes it can affect their character but not their attributes. A player is a player for their skills. THey may not be the best role model but if you can hit the ball like Pete Rose it shouldnt matter

Answer 6

I think Selig got lucky that his legacy is going to go down as the "steroid commisioner" instead of what his previous legacy was going to be, as the guy who wouldn't lift roses ban. The most aggravating thing is that the fans want to see Rose in the hall, and not only ishe getting denied, but we are also.

Furthermore, it is a testament to your skill as a player to be in the hall of fame, not character.

Ty Cobb was a racist, violent SOB.
Mantle was a drunk
Ruth was a drunk + womanizer
Billy Martin was a drunk
Keith Hernandez (who will see the hall) had some serious cocaine issues
all the steroids era players (and I love that the excuse is that they can't be kept out of the hall because steroids wasn't against the rules of baseball... ITS FRIGGIN' ILLEGAL, IT IS AGAINST THE RULES OF THE COUNTRY!!!, WHAT KIND OF LOGIC IS THIS!?!?!?!??! if a ballplayer raped someone or murdered, I would hope that, even though it wasn't against baseball rules, we would frown on their actions)

So, in short, yes, rose is getting bent over

Chopmaker, baseball doesn't sanction the hall of fame, the hof chooses to follow the guidelines set forth by MLB

Answer 7

Who thinks MLB should completely vacate any meaningful authority for enforcement of its own rules for the personal benefit of Pete Rose, just because he is, well, Pete Rose?

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MAJOR LEAGUE RULES
Rule 21
MISCONDUCT

(d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared ineligible for one year.

Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.
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Bad decisions can come with bad consequences. Rose made a bad decision and made it repeatedly for a plurality of years (possibly stretching back, WAY back, into his playing career; Dowd never substantiated that and didn't have to do so).

Rose is serving the prescribed sanction, as is proper. This comes with an incidental side benefit: if MLB is willing (and it is) to keep Pete Rose -- or as some would describe him, HIT KING PETE ROSE!!!!! -- out, it shows that MLB really, really means what it says in Rule 21.

Answer 8

I don't care if Pete Rose was the mastermind behind 9/11, the dude should be in the Hall of Fame. No questions asked. I know he's a gambler, a liar, and whatever else you want to call the guy but he could flat out freaking play.

Answer 9

This is a dead issue.

Rose gambled on baseball. It's irrelevant that other players had personal shortcomings unrelated to gambling. The point is Rose broke the sport's #1 rule, the rule pounded into the head of every employee in professional baseball, the rule posted in every clubhouse in professional baseball. He thought he was above the rules. He was wrong.

A great player, no doubt. But he has no one to blame but himself for getting tossed from the game. And you don't give someone their profession's highest honor if their actions have led to their banning from that profession.

Answer 10

pete rose made his bed, now he has to sleep in it.

AND HE SHOULD NEVER EVER BE ALLOWED IN THE HALL OF FAME, NEVER!

NOT EVEN AS A PAYING CUSTOMER!

Anyone who even remotey thinks what pete did was ok are not REAL baseball fans, pure and simple.