One thing that puts me off about God, and the creation story...what do u think?

Question

Assuming there is a God, and we were created by him/her, the creation seems incomplete or untruthful to the creator’s talents, as we think he/she to have.

I must subject myself to the understanding of a creator artist, sculptor, etc. What I mean is this, we believe that Gods is perfect, as such would want to showcase his "talent" in his creation.

In the Bible we were created in the image of God, similar to a artist or sculptors greatest work, where they would try to remove any flaw they see in themselves, or in the case of grotesque drawings add them.

Since gods whole creation is not only a image, but soul, and mind, I must ask weather or not he added his flaws, or removed them, thus making us more perfect then "he", or are we incomplete, in which any flaws the creation has is the result of incompletion. Thus the lives we live are apart of the creation, and Prophets are the tools use in the process, to remove flaws.

I.E. Be Perfect as the father in heaven- Jesus

I think your confused more with the last part, then the rest, Jesus was in my mind a person, or prohpet, and he never said he was perfect, but that always cought me off gaurd when i read it, Be Perfect As the Father in Heaven.

Also If you read the bible you will know that even before Adam/Eve sinned we were not as he, which gave the serpent reason to entice.

The Serpent said ' and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

God knows Good and Evil and is Perfect, we know the same but are sinners. And the sin itself was created by god.

Some people believe that the Serpent was tool, and Some(unlike me) believe he was the devil

Answer 1

IF you believe in a god that is all-knowing and all-powerful, then you have to accept that EVERYTHING that happens is EXACTLY according to plan. Everything.

God would know that Adam would take the forbidden fruit, and being all-powerful God could have created a version of the universe where Adam didn't. God even knew that some millennia down the line you would miss that bus because your alarm didn't go off, and being all-powerful God could have created a version of the universe where your alarm clock would have gone off and you would have been on time.

But God didn't.

That leaves ONLY two choices: either everything that happens is exactly according to plan, or one of our premises is wrong and God is not actually all-powerful or is not actually all-knowing. There is simply no other possibility.

I can't speak to your specific flavour of religion, but my gods are neither all-powerful, all-knowing, and in some cases they don't even care what happens. None of the nonsense that goes on in the world is inconsistent with my beliefs. It is obviously inconsistent with yours.

Answer 2

Don't read the Bible literally. It's full of contradictions and meaningless stories.
I think it's a great book to read but I'm not living by it.
If God created Adam and Eve, who Cain married when they were kicked out of paradise? Where all the other people came from?
If you believe in God, God is there for you. Read the Bible, enjoy it or not, but understand that it's just a book written by many men over a long period of time without a master plan.
In fact, the new testament is a compilation taken from dozens of books arbitrarily picked to fit the image of the church at that time. Who can that they picked the right ones, only the right ones and all the right ones?

Answer 3

This is good.

You'll have to do some reading to get this all squared away.

It reads we were created in his image. Does that mean we look like he does? Or that we are the image of his creative thought?

Perfection..? that is only when compared to him do we see our own imperfections. And our imperfection are due to finite lifespan, social structures and personal experience, genetic redistribution from millennium of breeding randomly.

But if our only referrence point is scripture, then it can be looked at from the story itself and speculated that.... When Satan interrupted God's plan for humanity by inferring to eve that by eating that which was forbidden that we would have the understanding of and be as GOD. Satan introduced us to the lie and so much more that brought out imperfection that we may not have ever had.

WE are still infants in the eyes of God, WE don't and still can't understand what he is. He left us with an enormous amount of potential in that vast unused or unavailble part of our brain. We were meant for a different path,and We were not ready for the information we were given by Satan.

A revolt over authority, thats what took place. We are the victims of that revolt.
This is where we now stand drowning in our own flaws. All that has come before us, that is given in scripture is to inform, provide and protect us, so we might if we choose to follow be prefected to his standard. What ever that is.....I can only hope that we will all see it.

Answer 4

Well I think religious people would say that we are incomplete which is why so many people are flawed and we are supposed to become complete and perfect when we reach heaven. I think that's just not logical. Why would he put us through such suffering, living on this damn earth? the whole story contradicts itself all the time therefore I do not believe in God

Answer 5

i think your confusing some issues --

artists often delight in imperfections.
vermeer is thought of as a realist but if you look at his canvases closely they are all smudgy. making smudges look like photo imagery is the talent of the artist.

many artists greatest works are extremely grotesque -- michelangelos last judgment, goyas home murals -- including saturn devouring his child.

the most logical understanding i have of the creation myth is it is a piece of hebrew poetry from about 2000 bc. the poetic form is in its parallels -- what is created on day 1 is populated day 4, day 2 parallels day 5, 3 and 6. a day of rest gives the poem closure. it is a very nice poem. that people demand to take it seriously shows our school system has failed in teaching the importance of poetry.

i don't remember being perfect as any part of the bible -- god gave rules to follow in the old testement and expected us to fail at keeping them. jesus tried to teach love and compassion in the new testement. unfortunately i don't know many "born agains" that would let dirty smelly love hippies in their homes. that the modern church has polluted the meaning of the bible so much that you feel it is a document that demands you be perfect is kind of horrifying honestly. please learn to respect it as an ancient text filled with wisdom -- it really has nothing to do with the populist beliefs of jerry falwell (rip) and pat robertson.

Answer 6

God is the creator of all things, before any thing was there, God was there. God is both male and female, and being created in his image means being created with a little something called "free will". The odd thing turns out that for humans, this is the greatest flaw we could have. We were created for companionship. And because of free will we screwed things up - or rather Eve did it for us. Our perfection lies in the belief that Jesus is the son of God and the following of his teaching.

Answer 7

This is all very interesting and all, but we're not a sculpture or painting. We're people. Whether or not God added his flaws or removed them really doesn't matter either way. Whether or not we are complete or incomplete is irrelevant, too. We are what are, and we're here to see what we can do with what we've been given. You can cook up all the cute analogies you want, but it isn't going to prove whether or not God exists, so what's the point?

Answer 8

God made us in his image, Not an exact replica. He gave us free will which is where we all go astray of the perfect plan.
A painting or sculpture are inanimate so that is not a good comparison. He purposely made us so that we would think and act on our own. He did not want a bunch of robotic clones of himself. He wants us to choose to follow him out of love.
But no creator has ever made anything as good as he or she.
Our mistakes come from wanting to be as perfect and as powerful as God.

Answer 9

Its hard for the human mind to believe that life just happened so from the dawn of man kind we have sought to explain our existence. Throughout history humans have had several stories that tried to make sense of where we came from.

Honestly I think life just happened. It was a mix of all the right conditions and a long long time.

Answer 10

I think the main thing that I see with your theory is that you believe God created people just like an artist creates a work of art. But we're not just sculptures... He created people to enjoy his creation, and to recognize Him as the creator, and to have a relationship with them. We are in his image by craving relationships, by having creativity, by loving and by creating.

He could have made people perfect, made them unable to do anything but worship him... but that's like giving a child a set of crayons and a piece of paper, and then forcing them to draw you a picture as a gift. A gift that's demanded isn't really a gift.

God to created beings who could choose to acknowledge him or not, and he couldn't create them in perfection. Not that he is unable to create a perfect person or that it's not within his power, but it is not within the scope of what our purpose is. Our purpose is to choose him and live for him. If we are unable to choose something other than him, then it makes our life meaningless.