Slick Willie, now ultra slick Hillary dejavu or their motis operandi?

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070620/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_artful_dodger;_ylt=Amr2niZ9.J4HZJ2jAaw1YUCyFz4D
Sen. Hillary Clinton an artful dodger

By RON FOURNIER, Associated Press WriterWed Jun 20, 3:20 AM ET

Slick Hillary? Former President Clinton earned the nickname "Slick Willy" for his mastery in the political arts of ducking and dodging. He had a knack for convincing people on both sides of an issue that he agreed with them.

His wife may not be as smooth, but Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is doing a passable impression of the ever-parsing former president.

Would she pardon Scooter Libby?

No comment.

Would she nominate a union leader to be secretary of labor?

Maybe.

Would she repeal the North American Free Trade Agreement?

Can't say.

The Democratic presidential candidate drew several rounds of applause for her appearance before the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees union Tuesday. She flashed her sense of humor, displayed a deep knowledge of the issues and held her own in a forum that pitted her against other presidential rivals. But what stood out was her reluctance to address questions head-on.

This habit of hers begs a question: Will the Clintonian tactic help her in the crowded Democratic field — or hurt her in the eyes of voters who have grown coarsened by the spin and obfuscation that marred both the Clinton and Bush administrations?

"It's obviously a skill that, in the long run, served Bill Clinton well, and there's something to say for a politician who doesn't alienate people by taking clear positions on issues," said Charles Franklin, political science professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. "For Bill, it was certainly a useful skill for political success."

But he said the question for Hillary Clinton "is whether she can pull it off, because it's certainly not an easy thing to do successfully."

She gave AFSCME her best shot.

MSNBC host Chris Matthews asked Clinton at the labor forum whether former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby should be pardoned.

"Oh, I think there would be enough to be said about that without me adding to it," she replied.

"That is such a political answer!" complained Matthews.

The largely Democratic audience buzzed, apparently in protest of Matthews' response. One audience member told him to ask a "real question." Clinton finished the person's sentence: " ... a question that's really about the people in this audience and not what goes on inside of Washington," she said.

"So we'll leave that as a non-answer," Matthews said.

Clinton 1, Moderator 0.

Libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, was convicted in March of lying to investigators and obstructing Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's inquiry into the 2003 leak of a CIA operative's identity. A federal judge said last week he will not delay a 2 1/2-year prison sentence for Libby in the case.

Most conservatives want President Bush to pardon Libby. Most Democratic activists don't.

Indeed, Clinton's rivals for the Democratic nomination didn't hesitate to simply reply "no" when asked about a Libby pardon.

It was the same dynamic on trade. Shortly after Rep. Dennis Kucinich vowed to repeal the North American Free Trade Agreement, Clinton was asked if she would move to scuttle it.

She dodged. "Like anything," Clinton said, "NAFTA had some positives, but unfortunately had a lot of downsides."

Clinton can be specific when she want to be. In her non-answer on NAFTA, she identified a soon-to-be-closed car plant by the small Michigan town where it's located, and she talked in depth about the link between outsourced jobs and health care costs.

Playing to the union crowd, Matthews asked Clinton whether she would nominate a union leader as secretary of the Labor Department. Yes or no? "It's a great idea," she said. "I think we should really consider that." It wasn't what you would call a firm commitment.

Some voters might find it refreshing that Clinton passed up three chances to pander to liberal Democrats. Being against Libby, opposed to NAFTA and in favor of giving unions a voice at the Labor Department are no-brainers in Democratic primary fights.

It may be that she's looking beyond the nomination.

"I kind of see those things as in keeping with her effort to paint herself as a more moderate Democrat than her image as first lady," Franklin said.

Until recently, Clinton distanced herself from the liberal, anti-war wing of the Democratic Party on Iraq — a position that her advisers said was true to her convictions as well as smart general-election strategy. But, under pressure from activists who dominate primary and caucus voting, she has steadily edged to the left.

She told the crowd Tuesday that she had been calling for a troop withdrawal "for some time," not mentioning that her rivals have held that position for a longer period. On the other hand, she said some troops will need to remain in Iraq to contain al-Qaida, protect Kurds, keep an eye on Iran, protect the U.S. Embassy and maybe train Iraqi forces.

The answer offered a little something for everybody, for or against U.S. involvement in Iraq. Pretty slick.

US Vet- Hillary's evasiveness is the issue diverting it as you are attempting to do is ducking responsibility!psst its from the liberal press!

Answer 1

here is an interesting experiment you can try to prove your point. try confronting any of the extremistts here with the last clinton "legacy" in the white house and see how many will try to distance hillary from it by saying..."it was just her husband". your point will be proven very very quickly.
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Answer 2

Wow long, illogical rant and I really don't see a question you are looking for an answer to.

Perhaps she should just say what you wantr to hear, then, like our CURRENT Commander in Thief, then just do whatever the heck he wants, whether legal, ethical or helpful to the American People.

When I see rants such as this, it lets me know just how terrified Conservative America is about maybe having a female President. The callous, cynical and blatant attempts at emotional manipulation just dont work with educated people anymore.

Fear is not in vogue now Paul. Stop selling incandescent light bulbs in a florescent age.

Answer 3

OK - 2 of these questions are ridiculous to ask at this point.
1. She probably has not followed the case of Scooter to that degree. Keeping track of every crook in the Republican Party is unrealistic and it will be a moot point anyway. Dubya hung him out to dry, Dubya will look after him.
2. It is far too early to determine who will be in a hypothetical cabinet now.
3. I am a little suprised she didn't have a committed stance on NAFTA - but I really think you are making a much bigger deal of this than it deserves.

Answer 4

Good grief! Charlie Brown! Where is the logic in your question and 'quotes'?
Do you realize this is NOT the presidential election, this year? And, why would anyone lay all their cards on the table; anyone who has any good sense - that is.
Politics is a forum for raising the consciousness of the people, for 'testing the waters' so to speak, and for discussing and debating the issues of the day... it is a time to be reflective and not simply jump in with eyes closed.
I can't help wonder... are people simply angry that Hillary is a good leader, good politician, intelligent, strong person - or, is it simply that she is a woman?

Answer 5

That's the Clinton M.O. alright. It is comforting to know that some things will never change. Personally, for the life of me, I cannot understand how anyone cannot see through this charade.

Answer 6

I don't trust her or Bill. The smirks they do just tell me "heheh... I have you fooled ya American dumbasses"

Answer 7

Very sad.

This is nothing but propaganda in it's crudest sense.

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