How does it help? (democrats only please)?

Question

I am trying to understand. How Would pulling out help us and the Iraqis? As far as I can see, its happening the same way as it did in Vietnam. people wanted us to pull out and we did. we lost the war and the commies took over because of it. hundreds of people died,not Americans. nothing good came out of it last time. so why do you think something good will happen this time? if we pull out know the terrerists will win. hundreds more will die because we left. if you thinks its bad now, what do you think it will be like for them with out hardly any protection? if we leave the terrerists will take over and then we will still have to deal with them later on when they continue to attack us wether or not were still their. if we pull out, every thing we have been fighting for will fall. So I want to know, How would it help if we pull out of Iraq?

Answer 1

I agree it's happening the same as Vietnam, which is part of the problem. Hundreds of people died??? 58 thousand of our troops were killed and some never even accounted for. Do you realize the average life expectance of a new lieutenant in Vietnam was 6 seconds? The problem there was we were fighting a conventional war in a country that had unconventional methods. Iraq, not unlike Vietnam has this "insurgency" from other countries (of course some are indigenous, but many are coming in). We have absolutely no plan in Iraq....Huge problem number 1. Problem number 2 is we're fighting this war the way we've historically fought wars against an enemy (who wasn't an enemy to begin with) that is unconventional.

Your reasoning about the terrorists is inaccurate. We were attacked by Al Queda and Bin Laden, not Iraq....So we shouldn't be in Iraq to begin with. The terrorists attacked us without being there and will likely continue to do so as they have so many times in the past. What have we been fighting for in Iraq? To get in there it was WMD's.....Then it was to free people from an evil dictator...He's dead, the people are free and there aren't any WMD's. Pulling out will help the Iraqi's no more than going in did. One thing is for certain though, the Iraqi's need to step up to the plate so we can stop seeing our troops getting killed. There is civil war over there, the country is and has been falling. We'll have to deal with terrorists for a long time regardless. We need to save our troops.

Oh and by the way, Vietnam was because we feared the spread of Communism in Southeast Asia. China was already communist at the time as was North Korea. Communism fell in the 80's.....And we left Vietnam years earlier. It didn't spread anywhere else.

Answer 2

The reason for going into Iraq was the supposed thought of Iraq having WMD and it was also said that Iraq could bomb the UK in 45 minuets. The CIA said it never made those claims. Nor did Bush, himself, make such claim.
Pulling out would solve nothing for Iraq; and stop the killing of US troops. The public opinion from the rest of the world think of the US to be major screw ups as usual. There seems to be no real answer here any more. Soldiers passing out candy to the children really looks stupid when what they really need (food, water, shelter, peace, etc). Also there is very poor media attention to this war.

The UN had investigators in Iraq and though they were given a bit of a hard time they had found no WMD.

We had a resolution in the UN about Iraq and an invasion by us too under the sanctions of the UN. France vetoed the plan. Childishly the US got annoyed and with some other countries invaded Iraq. So now Americans at home began boycotting French fries for God's sake. The US is stupid about these things.How many times has the US used its veto power - I'd guess more than 20. Like, get with it folks. The US likes to use the veto for themselves. but nobody else would be allowed (petulant kid)

Answer 3

I'm a Democrat, and I'll try to answer your question(s). You expect a lot for your five points. Pulling out would help the U.S. get out of a no-win situation. When you're in a no-win situation, pouring in more money and human lives seems absolutely pointless. We can lose without spending any more money, and every soldier's life saved is invaluable. Their willingness to sacrifice for their country should not be made into a mockery.

The comparison with Vietnam contains flaws - we were fighting Communism, and the supposed stakes were that if Communism won, they would start more wars. But the "Domino Theory," as it was called, never materialized. It was a hypothetical construct, marketed as fact by the right-wingers. Like the confusion between Iraq and terrorism, which you seem to accept. Bin Laden is a Saudi, and 19 of the 20 hijackers were Saudis. Saddam Hussein did not tolerate terrorists. If they have them in Iraq today, it's because that's where they can attack Americans. Pull out the targets, and the terrorists won't feel they have to expel invaders. Iraq is in bad shape. No one appears to have a solution, but the least expensive and least violent approach seems like the most prudent in such cases.

Rethink some of your basic assumptions about what's really happening over there - you seem to have swallowed the Bush line whole. Most Democrats haven't, and for good reason. Look into how many of the defense contractors profiting off the war are Bush campaign contributors. To just ignore this is to miss the big picture.

Answer 4

In your little dissertation on Vietnam, you forgot to mention that the French had been there for 20 years and failed. We actually bailed their butts out.

Then, thanks to Eisenhower, our first "military advisors" were sent there in 1948...After 25 years, the country was in ruins, the war escalted every year, more dead, more wounded and no improvement anywhere.

The same thing in Iraq. You cannot fight a war and win it if you can't identify your enemy....that's what happened in Vietnam, that's what is happening in Iraq.

It makes no difference if we remove troops today or in 10 years... Only the body count will change...the results will be the same.

It was a place Bush had no business going into. If he and his jerks had listened to the professional military soldiers, generals and their own Secretary of State, they wouldn't have done it. But, Bush, Cheney and the boys think they are the Kings of America and Bush wanted the oil fields in Iraq...that's the only reason......

I find it interesting that the 4 people responsible for the whole deal never served a day in a war.....Bush dodged the draft by joining the Air National guard - and then didn't show up; Cheney got 5 deferments and Rummie got 3......Rove didn't serve-his lottery number didn't come up - . As if they have the right to make wartime decisions.

Answer 5

well... there is one of two options

pull out

or

stay

how do either of them really help? it's a mess now... hundreds of Iraqis die a week... and there is no sign it's improving... and of course there are several American fatalities a week...

or we could pull out and let them sort out their own problems... which would also lead to many deaths of Iraqis... but would most likely lead to some stability in a year or two...

I mean... would Vietnam had been better if we lost several hundred thousand more American soldiers over 10 more years in the 70s and 80s? probably would have ended the same way...

the only real difference I see is American soldiers deaths and how fast the deaths happen in Iraq... thousands will die either way... do you want to spread it out over 10 years or 2?

Answer 6

How long will we be there? When do we know we have won? Answers we need answers? One thing for sure if we have no troops in Iraq there will be no Americans killed in Iraq. Do you really give a tinker's damn about Iraqis? What difference does it make what government they have. It is THEIR decision as it is THEIR country. We dumped Saddam Hussein for them. Now they have to take over. If they can't than to hell with them. Where are all the wonderfully beautiful buildings we are building for them? Where is the water pumping station and sewage treatment facility? How about the great university to educate them? Where is it? All I see is rubble and more rubble. Even mosques are bombed. The Shiites bomb Suni mosques and Sunis bomb Shiite mosques. They both pick on the Kurds. As we secure Baghdad the insurgents go somewhere else and reek havoc.
So where are the cheering crowds showing us with kisses and flower? All of this was promised but I don't see any of it not even on Fox.

Answer 7

Sorry bi partisan here... when words get in the way we only separate a nation united in faith. A suicide bomber is a wmd and there was time to relocate the caches anyway long b4 the inspectors came. If you need an atomic bomb to prove your point are u not grateful one did not go off. The Japanese threw our military for a loop when they came at us with the Kamikaze. ALL for the Emperor. In response to burning Japan island then we bombed the place to bits in response to our surprise. Fortunately we have some restraints now adays.
We can't pull out if we expect any peace. China is ready and waiting and the rest want US to fail. Beyond Pearl Harbor, 9-11 and now first responder deaths, we are at more risk than we know. We can not help to pull out of Iraq. Perhaps once Afghanistan may settle and we refresh troops with better armor NO ONE need die. I hold that one in Congress and the Senates doorsteps. They have been forgotten and our brave soldiers need not die in vain. When truth is told cyanide at first deployment and Humvees too close to the ground killing us as they hit IE D's???
Close to Vietnam but still far away. Only hope is to get the Hill and those darn politicians to agree to pull out and suffer consequences or defend their safety, the rest of this is unacceptable.
Thanks for letting me share my opinions. I would vote Democrat if I believed in the Candidate. I have before.

Answer 8

O.K.

1st, Vietnam we pulled out after making a peace agreement, which they went back on.

2nd, we thought "all of asia would fall to commies" and "commies would take over the world" if we pulled out. And they didn't. They took over a land that had SUPPORTED COMMUNISM COMPLETELY (except for their completly misguided leader).

3rd, the terrorists are winning already. Why waste more american lives? How are american lives a good payment for staying in a war we are making worse for the iraqis?

4th, the terrorists are only there to fight the U.S. If we leave, they leave.

Answer 9

They (the people of Iraq) are in the midst of a long brewing civil war that is as usual none of the U.S. business.In the 1950's Eisenhower warned the people about the M.I.C.(then military industrial companies now change companies to corporations) In the 1960's Kennedy was killed for trying to stop American involvement in Vietnam and elsewhere Johnson pulled them into Vietnam.G.W.Bush(Sr.) got you into Iraq and then let the madman walk free.Years later needing a reason to stay Presidente G.W.Bush(Jr) started a war in Iraq on no evidence...wake up the rest of the world allies or enemies are giving you the same message I will...Get the Hell out of Iraq and the middle east NOW and unlike Bushy eyebrows there I do talk with God occasionally and He doesn't agree with this stupid oil war either!!! Brother T.M.Murphy

Answer 10

So, tell me: what do you think we're ''fighting' for??
If you truly believe we're fighting to bring democracy to Iraq, you're mistaken. If you truly believe we're fighting to bring peace to the Middle East, you're mistaken. You've been duped by your own government.
We're fighting for three stupid, insane, immoral reasons:
1) The Bush family had a personal vendetta against Saddam Hussein ever since Desert Storm when George H.W. Bush was criticized, ridiculed and humiliated for 'not finishing the job' and ousting Hussein at that time;
2) Cheney and his Exxon-Mobil buddies wants all that OIL swimming underneath Iraq's sands so they can get richer and richer and richer feeding America's addiction to cheap foreign OIL instead of developing new (and less profitable) alternative fuels - or forcing auto manufacturers build more fuel-efficient vehicles instead of the two-ton SUVs and behemoth pick-up trucks they build now;
3) Ever since World War II, the giant U.S. military-industrial complex (which Eisenhower warned us about) realized how profitable 'war' can be. So the politicians were bought up, pricey lobbyists were hired, and special interest groups were formed to encourage and promote more 'war'. Thus, we were involved in the Korean Conflict; the Cuban Missile Crisis; the Cold War; Vietnam and Desert Storm. A 'new' war was necessary to boost the sagging profits of government contractors such as Lockheed-Martin, Sikorsky and McDonnell-Douglass, not to mention those two 'newcomers' to the government cash trough: the Carlyle Group and Halliburton, both of whom have direct ties to the Bush-Cheney White House. From the very first day Bush and Cheney took office, they intended to invade Iraq (a sovereign nation that in no way threatened, provoked or attacked the United States) - all for the sake of OIL and WAR PROFITEERING, at ANY cost in human lives.
Surely Satan has reserved a special oil-soaked, blood-stained corner of Hell for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and all 535 members of the most arrogant, contemptible, wicked, greedy, cowardly, corrupt Republican-led U.S. Congress in history (which turned its back while Bush ran rip shod over our Constitution). These cretins should be tired by an international tribunal for high crimes against humanity, and - if convicted - should be hanged just as they conveniently arranged to hang Hussein. -RKO- 06/20/07