Why can't I figure out what side of the isle to be on in this amnesty dilemma?

Question

Bush is hated by the left and the left agrees with him on this one. BUT the conservitives thiink by allowing all these Mexicans will increase the Left's voting mass to ensure their socialist intentions.
What is Bush doing? He's a solid policy guy, so what are his motives?

Answer 1

I'm a left-winger who opposes amnesty. The economic impact of absorbing 12 million people, which has not even been studied in depth, is the reason. Most of these people have little education and few skills. They would compete for the lowest-paying jobs against American citizens, many of whom are also people of color, and drive wages down for those who need it the most. There are already hospitals and public schools in California that cannot handle the costs of treating and educating all these new arrivals, and that will be made worse by a bill that clearly encourages more illegal immigration in the future. While most Mexican-Americans generally vote Democratic, that means nothing to me personally. I think the Party should win elections by offering a positive program for those of us who are already citizens, not by stuffing the ballot-boxes with purchased votes.

As far as Bush is concerned, this is a reward to agribusiness and other employers, typically Republicans, who want cheap labor. Since you seem to dislike socialism, think about our government artificially flooding the labor market with 12 million more workers. Is this supply and demand? Only if your U.S. citizenship means nothing. Amnesty is social engineering with a crass profit motive.

Answer 2

First of all, don't worry about who's supporting it. It the byzantine world of DC politics, there will be behind-the-scenes deal making and influence peddling that could manuever anyone into potentially taking any position, if only for expediency.

Concentrate on what the Amnesty bill does: it rewards 12+ million illegal aliens with instant residence, and, in return (the 'compromise' part) promises some increased enforcement.

Now keep in mind the track record for 'increased enforcement' - it's rarely delivered, and even when it is, it's never enough to be effective.

Sound like a good deal?

Answer 3

Skip what Bush is after and focus on the issues. And use logic:

We have 12 million illegal immigrants--that's a problem.

We obviously have a strong economic demand for their labor--or they wouldn't be here.

We also have a clear need to get the immigration under control--buecause we don't need undocumented aliens in large numbers and because we need to be able to monitor who comes over that border.

Now--again, skip all the rhetoric and use logic.

Most of these immigrants are not criminals--except technically. They are here to work. And judging by history, such immigrants, granted legal status, become law-abiding and productive residents and later, citizens. Skip the racists' rhetoric--I'm talking about the historical record.

So: a guest worker program is vital--the lure of America for foreign workers isn't going to change.

And an amnesty program that applies to those who are OTHERWISE law-abiding and who are working.

And--if the GOP can't appeal to these people as they become citizens, that is their problem.

Or do you think the GOP has the right to leave our border open to any would-be terrorist just so they can pick up a few votes?

Answer 4

Mike, I'm on the left, and I don't 'agree' with Bush. because no-one really knows what Bush's position really is. Is he for amnesty, the same way he was for 'not leaving any children behind'... is he for it the same way he was for catching Bin Laden Dead or Alive, is he for it the same way he was for funding alternative energy research?

Because if those are the ways he he's for it, then he's not really for it.

I would suggest George Bush was made president because he has a talent similar to the one Hitler had. He can stand in front of a bunch of people, and move his mouth, and whatever comes out, the people will imagine they heard him say what they want.

Need more proof of this. Remember Bush said: this is not a war against Islam. But if you suggest that we not fight a war against Islam, then it's the Bush supporters who get all worked up and call you a traitor.

Let's face it, the problem is two-fold. Bush is a venal bag of lying monkey poo, and the American public only hears what it wants to hear.

Combine those two problems and you have a real nasty situation.

Answer 5

Its not about votes to the american people. its about economics. America cannot take this many people in without feeling it in our pockets. the middle class will be destroyed, wages will be driven down. Only the top 1% would benefit from the slave labor.

Also, it threatens our sovereigty, because without borders, are we even a nation?

By the way, many liberals are strongly against amnesty.

It is the anti-american people who are pro-amnesty.

Answer 6

It's simple. Support our existing laws or not. If you entered this nation illegally you should be deported.

We are a nation of laws that were created by officials we elected whether we agree with them or not. I've broken the law and was punished for it and did not deserve amnesty.

Answer 7

Who cares about his motives!? This is the worst piece of crap to come out of congress in DECADES! Neither side of the aisle is on America's side in this. Close the borders, deport the illegals and then we can decide who we allow in and when. ANYBODY backing this bill should be voted out, no matter what party they belong to!

Answer 8

I think he is doing this for big business. The cheapest workers come from Mexico. They mostly all have health care already( Medi-Care) so companies won't have to spend money there. I think the whole thing is for big business.

Answer 9

he is a globalist
and may have possibly relapsed into alcoholic haze
( yes I voted for him )