The Christian and Jewish belief (they have the same creation story) is that God was always there was not created and this it the churches stance on that. Its an impossible concept to grasp for the simple fact mankind knows only beginning middle and end. The amount of time in the middle may vary but the beginning and ending are always there.
2007-06-20 10:33:13
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answered by Jay B 2
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The idea of a perfect god comes basically from one very, very old source: the idea that something cannot come from nothing.
On the face of it, that is a very innocuous and commonsense statement. If you put eight oranges into an empty basket, you aren't going to find nine in there. Even if you do, it must have come from somewhere, not just magically appeared. But you get problems if you extend this concept out to its maximum possible application.
A person might imagine a variety of gods in his head. But if you want to figure out which god would be the source of all the others, and you ascribe to the above philosophy, then it can only be the most powerful, most knowledgeable, and most perfect one. Because something cannot come from nothing... if more power came from less power (even in your mind), this would be violated. But this begs another question - where did your IDEA of this omnipotent, omniscient, and perfect being come from? Many religious apologists have argued that it can only come from the one actual entity that corresponds to this idea.
Unfortunately, you've painted yourself into a corner, then. If something cannot come from nothing, and everything else comes from this infinite entity, where did the entity come from? The only way out is to decide that the question is a non-sequitur - the entity couldn't have come FROM anywhere... so it can only have always existed.
So you can see where this whole idea came from. And it all hinges on the concept that something cannot come from nothing. But is that first premise a reasonable one?
If something cannot come from nothing, then no child can ever be superior to his parents. How could he? His good genes could not have come from nowhere. Likewise, if something cannot come from nothing, than all of human knowledge is only decreasing. No student can possibly learn more than his teachers. How could he? Things don't just come from nowhere.
And curiously enough, even though the above conclusions are quite patently not true, you will find many religious apologists trying to defend them anyway, even today. I've held many conversations with Biblical scholars who are convinced that Adam lived a thousand years and we don't because we have 'degenerated' since then. Others try to suggest that everything we know now was actually known thousands of years ago... just a little less widely distributed. Plato even tried to argue that all knowledge was inherent, and some people were just better at 'remembering' things from their past lives than others.
To which I say hogwash.
It may be that in the most general possible sense, things do not come from nowhere. BUT things often change from one to another, and sometimes so subtly that they SEEM to come from nowhere. An orange tree makes oranges from sunlight and soil, even if it's hard to see it on a human time-scale. Information can sometimes be divined from energy and randomness... it may even be completely natural for this to be so.
None of this, of course, proves that there is no god... I happen to have a number of which I'm rather fond of myself. But it does go a long way to explain why so many people think their gods have these certain characteristics.
2007-06-20 18:47:06
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answered by Doctor Why 7
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The theist would reply that God has no beginning and exists outside of space and time, and so it never "appeared" as such--he/she/it just has always been there. The existence of such a being is impossible for our minds to grasp in totality, and impossible to prove the existence of. But that won't stop some theists from shaming/browbeating you to death for doubting. *sigh*
2007-06-20 17:31:34
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answered by Dan H 1
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A phenomena can only occur if there is a cause. That is why Christianity, and other theistic religions, are unbelievable to some people.
2007-06-20 17:21:38
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answered by Kesey 3
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Everything comes from nothing. You are looking for something that is experiential or sensory to explain something that is not.
The 'nothing' is all that is real and the 'something' is only a synthetic emanation. God is an idea and synthetic like the 'you' you have built.
2007-06-20 17:34:41
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answered by @@@@@@@@ 5
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Well now, if we knew the answer to that question, we'd be on about the same level as God.
2007-06-20 17:18:46
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answered by Mr. Grudge 5
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wow good deep question
but you overthink things it would be like asking how you could create something on the computer then use it yourself
2007-06-20 17:12:14
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answered by Do I look Like I'm Joking 4
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Religion has you trying to solve one of their existential problems.You could never solve it because there is no God.It's called a logic loop and religion is loaded with logic loops.Religion is a repressive scam.
2007-06-20 17:19:07
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answered by Balthor 5
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How was the universe created? wish I knew
2007-06-20 17:17:23
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answered by myassisdragon 4
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