Why are Anti-Smokers abusing property rights they've already made clear don't exist?

Question

The anti-smokers have made it very clear that property rights do not exist when it comes to allowing smoking.

Now some anti-smokers are using property rights as an excuse to ban smoking in peoples own homes.

1) if property rights don't exist for one group why should they for another?

2) if its their building but the tenants home, should they be allowed to tell the tenant how to live?

3) Should their be a distinction between owning a building and owning a tenant?

smoking can hardly be compared to swinging baseball bats against the tub. typical anti-smoker hype. completely beyond reason in the realms of lunacy.

what about cooking and incense than

this is more of a question of how property rights can justify banning smoking but cannot justify allowing it

if the property rights don't exist in regards to ALLOWiNG smoking then how the hell do they suddenly exist when it comes to banning it

yea everyone can just go out and buy property we just choose not to... uhuh... its that easy


So you exploit us, keep us poor, control our lives, rape our freewill, and tell us its our own fault

Policies change without a contract having to be renewed. I did not agree to an anti-smoking policy and never signed for such a policy

But still the question remains, if property rights don't exist for one group why do they for another? either property rights exist or they don't but it seems they only exist when the anti-smokers want them to

i never have complained and theres plenty of times i could have. im sure an anti-smoker would be first to complain for anything but some of us are more cool-headed and rational and don't devote our entire existance to ruining others.... theres also a difference in making allot of noise and smoking as they are clueless as to whether i smoke or not , it doesn't bother them in any way whatsoever, the noise is bothersome and invasive

SO FAR ALL IVE GOT IS A BUNCH OF OVERBEARING ANTI-SMOKER BULLSHIT NONE OF WHICH ADDRESSED MY QUESTION............ INSTEAD IVE GOT PEOPLE THINKING THEY KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT ME...... THEY THINK THEY KNOW THE CONTRACTS IVE SIGNED, EVEN MY PERSONAL BEHAVIOURS AND THINGS IVE DONE... NONE OF WHICH HAS BEEN THE SLIGHTEST BIT TRUE... STOP PRESUMMING YOU KNOW ME AND GET WITH THE QUESTIONS.... INSTEAD OF THROWING RED HERRINGS, ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION

PS: IVE NEVER BEEN A ******* BEGGER IN MY ENTIRE ******* LIFE SO GO ******* KILL YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS PEICE OF CAPITALIST ****.... YOU DIRTY F'CKING SKUM!!! YOU SHOULD FEEL WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE POOR THEN YOU WOULD BE FIRST ONE BEGGING.... I AM ABSOLUTELY SUPERIOR TO YOU IN EVERY WAY YOU HAVE PROVED THAT BY YOUR IGNORANT AND ARROGANT PRESUMPTIOUS ATTITUDE

IN FACT------- SINCE YOU WANNA PLAY "I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT SOMEONE I DONT EVEN KNOW" GAME - ILL PLAY IT TOO!!!! YOU RAPED YOUR MOM AND SODOMIZED YOUR SISTERS CHILD WITH A BLOWTORCH!!! now i have just as much right to say that , because i have no clue, just like you had no clue about anything you said about me... but there you go , if you wanna invent **** about me ill invent it about you

Gee! buy my own property , why didn't i think of that

+++ You "people" need to review your arrogant ignorant and presumptious answers and realize that they find no place in reality whatsoever and that your logic is purely hypothetical and you waisted your time and mine by not addressing the questions i asked and instead pompously judging and throwing red herrings. you people are in a state of denial.+++++ With the exception of the few answers which did address some of my question.

Answer 1

I for one am very sick of the bans!!! I don't smoke, but I am very upset at what they have done to them. This is the foundation of America,and that is Property rights. I am so sick of this perfect society mentality. Heck, drinking kills innocent people, lets ban that!!! Cars, if you guys did not know it, put out the same toxic fumes as cigarettes, or so they say. So by saying this, am I smoking when I drive? We need to quit this rule and regulation mentality. This is suppose to be a free country. We have done enough to smokers. Let them alone for goodness sake!!!!!!
Yes, I think property owners have the certain rights. As well as keeping much needed business in the Hospitality areas as well.
If cigarettes are so bad, then why do we have so many old people?

Answer 2

The tennant agrees to the terms of the contract which states no smoking inside of property, the tennant agreed to say "I will not smoke inside of the property that I am renting". So long as you agree to the conditions of the contract you can't have it both ways.

Otherwise if you don't like living in apartment with rules and standards, then don't call and complain the next time someone violates the noise ordinance by having the stereo cranked after 11pm while your trying to get to sleep.

And while not everyone can just pick and choose where they live, evidently then beggers can't be choosers either.

Secondly, if it's on the contract that says you will not smoke inside of the property that you are renting, as well as you will not violate the noise ordinance, well then there's a big similarity in those two rules in that they are both on the contract that you signed. I'm sorry, but as long as you agree to the terms and conditions of where you live regardless of how much choice you had, your argument is null and void, you made a written agreement that you would comply with the people that own the building of which you are renting a unit out of.

And for the record, I'm not an anti-smoker, I'm just calling it like I see it. If you don't like, that's not my problem.

As for the term beggers can't be chooser, it's a term meaning that if you are in need of someone's help or services, you can't call the conditions of what has all ready been established by the person who you want to help you. You said it yourself, you can't always choose where you live. I'm not calling you a homeless person, but it's clear that you've never heard of that term. At anyrate, have a good night :)

Oh and by the way, I don't have a sister.

Answer 3

I usually lecture back at how their precious cars, buildings, power plants, etc. are doing a lot of harm to people and the environment as well. People are more aware of what's happening to the environment and since the don't like it they need to blame someone for it. They can't blame the buildings they work at because they rely on them for income, they can't blame the power plants for they need power in their house, they can't blame factories that make the clothing they where nor can they blame their cars which is their means of transportation. Even if they did take a taxi or a public transit system, making a law where those type of transportations are outlawed would put many bus drivers and cab drivers out of a job. So, the one thing people will do is blame it on smokers, not everyone needs to survive in this world if they don't smoke. It's not right. I feel that some people who are nonsmokers are refusing to see that EVERYONE contributes to polluting the earth when we all rely so much on other things that pollute the earth.

Answer 4

Here's my take on it - and I'm a smoker.

I think that if the owner of an apartment wants a nonsmoking facility....that is his right. He can advertise it and put it in the lease that smoking is not permitted. There are people who look for this and he wouldn't have any trouble renting the units.

On the other hand, if there is not a clear "no smoking permitted" in the lease, then smoking is allowed. If someone is so "allergic" to smoke, they can ask the rental agent if smoking is permitted. If it is, then the nonsmoker can move on.

If the nonsmoker decides to rent, then he/she needs to shut the he11 up about the smoking. He chose to rent there knowing smoking was not mentioned in the lease, so suck it up....

As far as the other nonsmoking nonsense, it really doesn't bother me. My friends and I used to go out a coupla times a month to a really nice little pub nearby to play a little pool, hear a little music, have some drinks, maybe dance, maybe eat. When the nonsmoking ban became statewide for bars, we simply stopped going out. In my state, the only place where smoking is permitted is in the casinos in Atlantic City...heaven forbid the corporate-owned casinos should lose customers (and money)...guess as long as your gambling, smoke won't bother you.

If we want to hang out now, we go to somebody's house and do it.

Oh, and that little pub that had been in the same location for 55 years and 3 generations of the same family? It closed in April.

Many of the places around where I live have closed. These places catered to a mostly local crowd and were family owned. They couldn't take the loss of business.

It's a shame really. Those radicals nonsmoking screeching types find it perfectly ok to suck up a coupla pounds of particulates a day from the diesel fuel, air pollution, car exhaust, refineries that spew crap day and night.... Particulates get into your lungs and stay there...... Second hand smoke in a bar isnt' going to kill ya.

Tell ya one thing, I'd rather pass a smoker in my car on the turnpike than pass a nonsmoking drunk.

Answer 5

smoke damages the property. What is unclear about that? It gets in the carpet, it soaks in the walls, ceilings, drapes, etc...

If you want to rent someone else's property, you must adhere to the rules of its use. If they say, don't damage the property, that includes, don't smoke in it, don't swing baseball bats against the tubs, don't run a hose on the carpet, then you can't do those things.

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so it's ok to stain the ceilings with a smelly yellow film, but not swing baseball bats? why is that?

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I've repainted a lot of rental properties, and i've never seen smoke damage from incense. Cooking yes, but cooking is a necesity for living. Smoking is not. I went in a unit once, which the entire unit had smoke damage, from the floor up. It had to be stain blocked twice, and then painted.

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as far as your right to smoke in your own home, I don't think anyone should be able to tell you otherwise, unless it is a connected unit, where the smoke travels inside others.

Actually, I think a business owner should also be allowed to decide whether or not smoking is allowed in the establishment. I don't think the gov't has any right to monitor that.

Answer 6

Here is how I look at it. If you live in an apartment building you ought to be allowed to smoke in your own home. Having said that-the onus is on you to not endanger anyone else with your side stream smoke. If someone is playing Twisted Sister at the same decibels of a small jet the responsibility lies with the metal head to turn down his stereo, not yours to wear headphones.
What is being suggested in my home town is that landlords start to designate buildings for smokers only. Not non-smokers because there are far more of them. That way, it's up to the owner to rent to whom he wishes. The market will determine how buildings get designated. If a potential tenant opts out of renting an apartment because there a smokers in the building and if that happens often enough, it will get costly for the landlords.
The bottom line is that smokers ought not be told what to do. Having said that, we need to create an atmosphere of respect. Smokers need to recognize that side-stream smoke is more dangerous than what they are puffing in. They also need to realize there are many asthmatics out there whom they can make quite ill. They need to own their smoke. And discuss with the landlord how to stop it from escaping from their unit. It's the polite thing to do.

Answer 7

Well if you are renting a building or a home or apartment or whatever its perfectly within the owners right to say they do not allow smoking in the building they are renting.
Im a smoker presently but I have never had a problem with someone telling me I cant smoke in a building they own.
If you own it then you can make the rules.

Answer 8

Because they use to be smokers and still are in private. They feel superior,Like the Power, if its your house the Gov. dont want you smokin in your house because they think its theirs when you die they get it, see video LINK

Answer 9

it makes about as much sense as some landlords simply stating that there are no pets allowed - in other words the owners don't want to deal with what pets bring.

it seems to me that pet owners are acting fairly grown up about it and don't whine about it, maybe because they actually understand.

Answer 10

Buy one's own property and poof, no more property right issue and one can inhale secondary smoke all day long.