Can you think of any reason why devout socialists dismiss the human spirit and insist socialism works?

Question

Other than just a blind belief in the cause?

superboy, I lump anyone with any socialist tendencies in the group. Tyranny happens a little bit at a time. For example, if a politician says "I will take their profits" that's good enough for me.

Does that help?

skeeter, not a christian. anything else?

trouble maker, you are one sick puppy if you actually believe that.

Answer 1

These modern day socialists don't even understand the definitions of the terms they are using.

Most of the Socialsts I have met don't even identify themselves as such. They consider themselves just Liberals or "Progressive Liberals". All it takes to dupe one of these people into advocating a truly Socialist plan is to use words like "compassionate", "equitable", "justice", and "evenly distributed". The ultra Libs just eat this stuff up, although most would vehemently deny they are Socialsts.

Welfare, before Newt Gingrich and the Republicans modified it, truly crushed the human spirit. 60-Minutes did a program decades ago about welfare recipients, and they showed entire extended families, four generations, none of whom had ever held a job nor even tried. In one extended family of 100 people, no one had ever had a job. Imagine how devastating that would be for your psyche and sense of self worth.

Welfare just gave them this victim mindset, so these people couldn't even imagine competing in the working world. They gave up. Their spirit was crushed. This is because Socialists are so wrong about the very core of their beliefs: these "entitlement" programs have an insidious way of creating, what our President has described as "the soft bigotry of low expectations".

One respondant mentioned Norway and Sweden as successful Socialist states. He is correct. However, whatever characteristics these people have do not exist elsewhere, and Sweden might not want to brag too much about how great Socialism is for its people. It has the highest suicide rate of any industrialized nation. Seems like Socialism hasn't done much for their human spirit, has it?

I now live in the Czech Republic, and although it is a capitalist society, it has socialized medicine. This may make medical care easier on their wallets, but it's just another way to crush their spirit and sense of self worth. Here, you have to wait about 2-3 hours to see the doctor. Even when he tells you to return at a certain time, you don't have an appointment. You are just part of the herd of cattle, sitting passively while a doctor who does not care about giving good, courteous, or prompt service. Why should he care? He gets paid the same, no matter what. Having fewer patients would be good in his eyes.

One time in the States, I got fed up with my doctor. I arrived punctually every time, and he would keep me and others waiting like chumps. I discovered he was taking appointments scheduled as little as 5 minutes apart. One day, I couldn't take it any more. I stood up, and addressed everyone in the room: "People, are you going to let this guy treat you like you're some charity case? We're paying him good money while he wastes our valuable time. He can't keep the schedule he makes, he's got us all booked just a few minutes apart. Let's show him we have a backbone. Follow me and walk out of here!" About half the people did. In the Czech Republic, it's like their spirit has been broken. They just think they should sit like docile lambs being led to slaughter while the doctor wastes half their day.

One last observation about Socialism is a quote by Margaret Thatcher: "The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money to spend".

Answer 2

Some of the answers you got remind me why I no longer engage conversation with Leftists. They're boring.

I think modern day Liberalism in the U.S. and Socialism are now close to being the same thing. You listen to a Liberal in this country talking about the rich get rich, the poor get poorer, this is straight out of Marx. You have some answers here talking about corporate greed. Where's that coming from? Redistribution of wealth. These are all modern terms Liberals use in this country all the time. That's why conservatives are correct to point out a Hillary, when she starts talking about taking away profits from oil companies. She's going to determine how much they get to keep. And she is going to take that money and give it to the poor. What handbook is that out of?

There are a great many Socialists in this country. You have eco left Kooks in this country who have committed eco terrorism. There are "Conspiracy" kooks who think the government is wiretapping their phones and getting ready to raid their houses and put them in Gitmo. Socialists in this country hate the military. THEY want to be the NEW military. They want to be the ones who tell you what to eat; tell you what to drive;tell you how much toilet paper you can use. In other words, they will distribute your needs by THEIR standard. That's pure Socialism. That's why Russians were standing in line waiting for a loaf of bread! That's why the Evil Empire collapsed!

Socialism goes against human nature. It's not about Freedom. The reason Socialists still hang onto their pet Marx is because if only THEY were put in charge REAL Socialism will work.That's nonsense.

We are now living in the greatest country the world has ever seen, and it's because of Freedom. It's because Capitalism has so far proved to be the best system for producing wealth, thereby taking better care of citizens. Is it perfect? No. But it sure beats anything else.

Answer 3

There really are two types of socialists.

There are the Ruling Elite, they are in it for power and control and know that socialism fails but it is a useful tool to gain power and control.

There are the "useful idiots", who either believe the lies because it makes them feel good, they have succumbed to the brainwashing,

and then there are the "useful idiots" who think they will be part of the ruling elite, academia falls into this group, and they will be the first to fall should the socialists have a majority of control in AMerica.

Answer 4

You're a true blue neo-con.
Why do hard-line neo-conservatives dismiss the disadvantaged in society and insist that plutocracy works?
Other than just a blind belief in rule by big corporations?

Answer 5

No, and none of the above posters has a good answer either.

Forcing the successful to give up their hard earned rewards to pay for the lazy in America is an ignorant and irresponsible policy.

Conservatives believe in helping others too, we just understand that a gift is better when it is given out of one's own desire, and not taken out of our hands by some greedy lib.

Answer 6

Here's a conundrum for you: Christian Socialism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Socialist

Check it out.

To: RP McMurphy (the asker) on your later comment:

Why not? How do you define a Christian if not as someone who follows Christ?

A quote below from the man so many self-described Christians like Pat Robertson love to hate and presumably a Christian Socialist:

"He [Jesus] accompanied me in difficult times, in crucial moments. So Jesus Christ is no doubt a historical figure — he was someone who rebelled, an anti-imperialist guy. He confronted the Roman Empire… Because who might think that Jesus was a capitalist? No. Judas was the capitalist, for taking the coins! Christ was a revolutionary. He confronted the religious hierarchies. He confronted the economic power of the time. He preferred death in the defense of his humanistic ideals, who fostered change… He is our Jesus Christ.—Hugo Chávez[3]"

I don't think either of us have a right to decide who is not a Christian. I could just as easily say that Pat Robertson and his ilk are not "true Christians," and furthermore, I could provide a couple of reasons (something you never offered).

First, what did Jesus say about how it is easier for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle than to enter the kingdom of heaven? Robertson has a cushy mansion next to his Regent University and is quite wealthy.

Second, Robertson suggested the US should "take out" Chavez. Who did Jesus say his followers should "take out?"

The bottom line is, despite how much of a hypocrite Robertson seems to me, it's not my business to judge his relationship with Christ.

And it's not really your business to decide who is and is not a Christian based on your political beliefs.

Answer 7

Is there any reason why so many people who claim to support the free market are not disturbed by monopolistic corporatism, which has nothing to do with a free market?

Can anyone tell me with a straight face that what we have here in America, even without the socialist influence, is a model for a free market? The economy is vertical... which means the most successful eat up and destroy all competition. Some free market.

If there were a free market, we wouldn't be stuck in the pertroleum age...

Answer 8

I will let you have all the material needed to construct a house and give you the land along with some chickens , goats , a few head of cattle a pig or two and see if you can make it on your own .
There was a tradition of people helping people not only raise a barn but build a home and share the work .
If you want to go it alone its because you are a criminal .
Only criminals like to operate on there own or in small secretive groups .
You probably work for the government anyhow and have no morality at all .

Answer 9

Because advocates of socialism have either faulty logic or use the guise of "the peoples good" to implement a fascist system.

Answer 10

I believe it's a blind belief in a cause. They have so many 'causes', that in order to supply them with the money, they need to rob people of theirs. Instead of cleaning up the pork, they tend to throw good money after bad by using force, coercion and name calling and of course the inevitable increase in taxes.

Their sole intend is to make us all 'equal'. The only way to accomplish that is to place those who have the ability to succeed into positions that won't allow it. Their quest is to rob us to the point that we're all 'equally' dependent on big government.