What would be the POINT of a heaven and a hell?

Question

if you were happy allll of the time... happiness would become meaningless without anything to eventually RELATE it to....

if you were miserable allll of the time... sorrow and pain would eventually become meaningless also.

Without RELATIVITY there is nothing.

What would be the POINT of burning in hell FOR ALL ETERNITY?

I mean... seriously

Answer 1

=) Thank you for pointing this out. Eventually, misery and joy would just be boring, and all you feel is nothing...it's like being there but not actually there with them.

It's like Santa Claus. If you're a good person, you'll get a present. If you're a bad person, you'll get a lump of coal. People would want you to be good in life so you can have a good afterlife, but if you're bad in life, you'll end up with the whole "burning in hell, being slaved by Satan" crap.

Answer 2

"Hell, Eternity, etc." It's more like the real Devil--no. The real question is hidden in this parody. And it is, "Did man descend from early species (Australopithecus), or did God create man from dust and take his rib to form woman. The truth is probably somewhere inbetween.
It is logically a fallacy to argue that there is "one"
"true" god. The proposition presupposes an assumption,
which has and is not substantiated by evidence.
"Faith", as we know it is also untenable. Since it
too is based on several confabulated fallacies. The
same is accurate with respect to agnosticism and
atheism. It's not the case to say, that we do not
know one way or another, but it is also not the case
that we do not know that we do not know. The
ambiguity leaves us in a state of evidence, or the
absence thereof, because we cannot explain the
implacability of the universe, which leads us to
Existentialism Kierkegaard, Freddy Nietzsche(AKA,
hermit, whore monger and syphilitic near-do well),
Sartre, Camus and other agnostics, who wanted to
rationalize their hatred for the Stoics in way form or
fashion they could. Thus, they ruminated around and
hatched one of the most dangerous philosophies on
earth: the idea that man is essentially nothing pitted
against the implacability of the universe. If this is
so, then it also nothing to kill somebody, which as we
all know is nonsense. Rather than admit, that their
philosophy breaks down, they would rather proselytize
verisimilitude's of its vagary upon the world as being
the end all and be all of belief systems. The
evidence of the reality check on it is quite another matter. Religion: if it's organized, then pick your poison.

East of Escape, West of a Guess, North of No Such, South of a Search

Answer 3

Reward & punishment.

In this life, it seems that innocent people often suffer & guilty people get away with it. This is corrected in the afterlife. It's only fair.

We know (or at least we're told, whether you choose to believe it or not) that this life is a test. What you do in life, echoes in eternity (is that a line from Gladiator?) So you better be good!

There would be relativity in Heaven or Hell because you'd remember this world & you'd see how much better (or worse) off you are in the afterlife. This mortal world gives us a taste of Heaven (joy) & Hell (sorrow) before our immortal soul experiences the real thing, permanently. Right now joy & pain are places we visit, when we die, we go there to live.

Answer 4

Relativity does not exist beyond the physical world because it is a byproduct of the concept of Time, Space and Causation.

Time disappears in Eternity, and where there's no time, there's no space, and without time & space there's no cause and effect - i.e., the hell fire (there) – if there were one - is no tangible fire that burns on fuel or lumbers or even ‘crackle while feeding on human bodies. That concept of hell is man-made, and is as primitive as man's concept of god - the super human who has the extremes of all what man has and has not, including passion, love, hatred, anger, revenge, rewarding and punishment. That god is a bias tribal tyrant who fights with a tribe against another; a god who loves some and hates others although ALL are HIS own creation. So, that hell was made up to suit the character of their god, and does not exist in its man-made form except in man's imagination.

Therefore, your question does not apply.

Answer 5

The illogic of heaven is well pointed in the poem No Dogs Allowed. As to hell, the concept of pain is well known and the pain inflicted by fire is the one of the worse.

As with all things, the concept of divine extremes, is relative to the person. Some, as the above referenced poem indicates, would find a heaven without dogs a living hell. And a masochist would find continual pain a heaven.

Answer 6

Would you really need a point? Burning in Hell could just mean regretting how wastful your life had been or how wrong you really were with decisions you made. It's all in how you relate to it, you can't be caught up in actual terms used in a 2 thousand year old book. Live life and regret nothing and when all points are at an end it won't matter.

Answer 7

Here on earth there is nothing without relativity. We can't really imagine what the next world is like. The pain of fire and the pleasure of romping around on clouds are only metaphors. There is no time in heaven or hell and there is no relativity. Pain is infinite and joy is infinite.

Answer 8

I must disclose that I don't believe in "religion," but I do believe in many of the principles and the philosophy of many of them.

How can one not believe in, "Love thy neighbor as thyself," for example? How can one not fail to see that any of the Seven Deadly "Sins" will lead to one's downfall? (The worship of Greed is certainly leading to problems in the U.S. culture.)

Having said that, I can only say that the "flaw" in what you say is that IF there is a God, then that God, by definition, is omnipotent and omniscient, and being omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, there would be no need for "relativity," because that God would create such a perfect happiness in Heaven, that one could glory in it, without having to experience pain to feel the joy. If one believes in God, in the anthropomorphic sense, then one must trust the mystery and perfection of that God; one needs to have humility and faith, and must beware of hubris in trying to "read God's mind," that is a "mind" far beyond that of a human being.

You might seek to understand The Big Bang, The String Theory, Quantum Physics, but trying to understand them and understanding them are very different, and it takes a certain mind to do that. Imagine how much more so would be the stretch of a human mind to understanding "God's" mind!

I can't even address the concept of Hell; I don't get it at all; not from the literature, not from a minor in philosophy and theology, not from 16 years of Catholic school. I would have to believe that on "Judgment Day," all souls would have a chance to be saved and would be forgiven--again talking within the context of "religion."

I like the belief of Thomas Aquinas in that Heaven is participation in the Beatific Vision; there need be no opposite to that. If one is part of, that is part of, an harmonious, perfect equation of light and beauty, that would be like the perfect meditation, profound peace, for which there is no opposite; to experience which one need not "stop" experiencing it. It is an eternal immersion in perfection.

Answer 9

i think heaven and hell are just an idea that somebody made up to scare people into being 'good'

and i think if anything, being here on earth is probably the closest thing to hell. i mean, it is so hot outside. look at the war and all the violence... but i do believe when you die, you can create a heaven for yourself

Answer 10

I think that our society has made it into a form of control over large populations...... because without fear of having an ultimate consequence, people will not have the discipline to follow laws.....and when people do not follow laws..... there's no order and common way of thinking..... I love God and believe in God, but a lot of different religions use the bible to instill fear among their people.