Why is the pro-choice logic so hard to understand?

Question

All these questions along the lines of "how can people support abortion and be against the death penalty/Iraq Wart/etc.?" are really annoying and miss the pro-choice point entirely.

The pro-choice point of view is that a fetus is not a person. A fetus lives off the resources of the mother and is more like a parasite than a person. Once it reaches approximately the 3rd trimester, the fetus could potentially live outside the womb and seems to develop a "consciousness", therefore most people agree that 3rd trimester abortions should be illegal.

Equating fetuses with people doesn't apply to this argument. Why is it so hard for pro-lifers to understand that pro-choicers don't consider fetuses to be people?

Clearly many pro-lifers don't understand the pro-choice point of view because they consider it hypocrisy to be pro-choice and against the death penalty, for example.

Some terrible arguments here. Having a heartbeat doesn't make you a person. Having limbs doesn't make you a person.

Do you guys think monkeys are people too? They fit all your criteria.

Answer 1

By most pro-life logic taking a pill that prevents implantation of a zygote, like most birth control pills would be murder. It is amazing how many women murder babies on a daily basis.

We have to draw the line at life somewhere, I agree with that in which the child can sustain itself. Otherwise yes, by definition it is a parasite.

Answer 2

They understand your position, they just disagree, because it DOES say in the Bible, that at the MOMENT of conception, you're uniquely specially alive in God's eyes. Now, personally, I have no particular stance on the abortion issue, which lends to me an interesting 3rd-party view on the whole thing.

It really depends on faith at this point, because no scientific answer can measure WHEN a fetus in the womb gains "consciousness", and for that matter, even define what causes "consciousness". I think both sides for the most part understand the other side's argument, it's just they have a different level of faith in what the Bible says vs. what their opinion on the matter is.

Answer 3

A fetus may not actually be a person... But it is a cluster of cells that are in the process of structuring a human life. A fetus is still a living creature. To say it is not, there would be no resources for the mother to replinish in order for said fetus to survive.

Answer 4

part of the reasoning a person has problems understanding the locic behing pro choice is because the logic behind it is rather flaky. they often say you cant tell me what to do with my body but the laws in this country disagree, i can't sit at home and take herion all day.
The other part of the logic is that the viability standard is flawed because babies can be viable earlier and earlier with medicine.
My personal belief is that states should have a right to make any laws concerning abortion at all and that the privacy part of the constitution(that was made up) does not exist for medical choices concering all bodly functions.
i have a question do all pro-abortion people also have to be against drug laws? try your logic on that,

Answer 5

Hmm. If it says in the Bible that you are "uniquely special" in God's eyes from the moment of conception, how come the Leviticus prescribes the death penalty for adultresses regardless of whether or not they are pregnant? Why isn't there any provision to wait until the adulteress gives birth before putting her to death? Why is it also, according to the Leviticus, that if someone causes a woman to miscarry, he merely owes a monetary fine to the husband? If the Bible indeed regarded an embryo as a fully-fledged human being, shouldn't someone who causes a woman to miscarry be put to death for murder?

Senior Citizen: Playing the Hitler card would be effective, except that abortion was illegal in Nazi Germany -- at least for Germans. Interesting, isn't it? Not to compare the pro-life crowd to the Nazis generally, as you did with the pro-choice camp, but I find that pro-lifers and the Nazis have one thing in common -- both treat "unborn life" with much greater respect than "afterborn" life.

PS: A useful reference: The overwhelming majority of abortions occurs in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. And we are not "pro-abortion". We are pro-choice. We support the choice to complete the pregnancy as much as the choice to terminate it.

Ramble On and Beathomenow: Good for both of you. Notice no one tried to make you have an abortion. No one forced to you have children, either. You exercised a choice. Other people should have a choice also, just like you did. And it is rather presumptious on your part to suggest that just because you felt a certain way about your pregnancy, others should also. And if you think that something should be made illegal just because you may "regret it later" -- then perhaps the government should make ALL of life's decisions for you.

Answer 6

Hmmm...that's pro-abortion logic, not pro-choice. Pro-choice may or may not be against abortion. I, personally, am a conservative who is pro-choice but anti-abortion. I would not do it myself. I do believe, however, that I don't want the government or some religious group to dictate my decisions for my family. That should be left up to my husband and myself. If, for some reason, I choose to terminate a pregnancy, I should not be denied medical care.

As for your explanation on fetuses v people, I saw and heard my son's heartbeat at 6 weeks. At 8 weeks, the doctor could get the intra-vaginal ultrasound probe close enough to see or hear his heartbeat because every time he got near it, my son would wave it away. He may not be able to live without me at 8 weeks, but, using that logic, he couldn't live without me at 2 months outside the womb, either. If your explanation helps you feel better, you use it, but your logic is flawed.

Answer 7

Pro-abortion logic is not hard to understand. We know that you don't consider fetuses to be people, to justify murder, and so you can sleep better at night after doing it. If you dictate something as inanimate and de-humanize it, it hurts a little less and feels less immoral. It's your own personal guilt trip.


Edit to answer additional details:

If having a heartbeat and limbs does not make you a person, then exactly, what does? A heartbeat means blood and oxygen is pumping through your body, it's the most important organ to humanity. To have a heartbeat means you are ALIVE.

Humans do not carry monkeys within their bodies, nor do monkeys carry humans. That's a weak argument and irrelevant.

Are you saying that those that were born without appendages, or those that had to have their legs or arms amputated are not human? Are you saying that those that required heart transplants or pacemakers are not human? Even if someone is lying on a table with no heartbeat, they were still a living, breathing, conscious human being at some point. You really have some issues.

Answer 8

I know abortions are awful, but there are a lot of awful reasons that they should be legal. If we respected women in this country, we wouldn't let old white men legislate what they must do with their bodies.

Pro-lifers in government also tend to be for abstinence only sex-education and reduced funding of birth control for poor women, both of which lead to more unwanted pregnancies.

Also, the bible was written by MEN, not god, so stop citing it as your source for why abortion should be illegal.

Answer 9

I think when you decide to make to choice and be a grown up and you decide to have *** if you get pregnant you need to accept the responsibility of what you caused to happen. I am pro life I had a child out of wedlock i decided to make the choice to have *** when i was young and had a child but i also got pregnant and dealt with the consequences most people that have abortions will regret it later.

Answer 10

I am pro-choice until viability, but I understand their reasoning seeing they believe a person has a soul from conception.