My take on the current (anti) Liberal movement.?

Question

Personally liberals are more like Anti-liberals now. They push for all these changes that squash what our founding fathers planned when they wrote the constitution and the bill of rights.

The Bill of Rights

1-Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

but we can pass laws that make it so you cant talk about your religon in case it may offend somwone who doesn't believe as you. Or god forbid you don't have sopmethjing nice to say about a group of people. I hate lazy, apathetic people enough people start sating that they will get some silly name like slackerists or something and be sued in court for not supporting their right to sponge off the government that my tax dollars go toward.

2. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security

of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed

that is unless of course you are a law abiding american citizen.

3. No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amazingly enough they are leaving this one alone right now. give em a decade.

4- The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

But they certainly make it more difficult to get a warrent for known criminals.

5-No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

yet again....dive them a decade.

6-In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

20 years....they have to squash 2 many before they get to this one.

Ok stepping off the soap box for the time being.

this is more of an irritated statement than a question.

Cant- The teachings of all major religons say that you should pass on your faith to the masses. So it is everyone's right to talk about religon anywhere they want. Or anything else for that matter. as long as you are peaceable. But liberals are aloud to disturb peacefull demonstrations.

g- I never said the word ban. This is a statement of opinion.

Leslie- I don't go around shoving my faith in peoples throats. But I do have problems with the individual right to believe as one wishes on anything is getting squashed.

Farron- I dont hate all democrats. It is just showing a tendency for socialism.

Pin- My entire rant is about freedom of speech. Heck many of the dems have signed off on laws that make it easy for the state to take your private property. Stinks of community property. So than warrants wont be necessary as noone will own anything.

Part of the individual right of the individual to bear arms is to protect themselves from others who would infringe on your liberties.

John- Exactly everyone has an equal right to worship and to preach.

I am a gun owner to.

5th is up for interpretation with regards to the current politics of the WAR, for one it is customary for military forces to hold enemy combatant until the end of the conflict. The enemy combatants in contention are not uniformed military so they do not fall under the geneva convention. But we cannot let them go just because we disarmed them. You can buy a gun in the middle east for about the cost of a pizza.

6- Actually the Military commisions trials were well underway until it was brought to congress and sat over a year as lawmakers further slowed the process down to make so few changes to the process it looks the same.

as for the cruel and unusual punishment I have not seen it with my own eyes, nor heard from a reliable source that this is going on. I have heard it in the press but the sensationalist nature of the press makes it unreliable. Bad press is good business especially whjen the facts cannot be checked. Makes the US look bad.

Answer 1

Funny, because the current batch of "conservatives is anything but conservative. They are "cut taxes and spend like drunken soldiers", which is far worse than "tax and spend". They are very much into big government, wanting to tell people who they can marry, what they can do with their own bodies, etc. They support Bush, who is stripping us of our civil liberties. And the government should not be able to give my tax dollars to "faith-based" organizations.

Your argument about the 4th is contradictory, too.



And what about those "free speech zones"? What's up with that? The entire country should be a free speech zone. Read that 1st sentence again "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," So why are you bothered that we don't like people forcing their religions on us? You can talk about your religion all you want. But elected officials should not make decisions based on religious beliefs. Schools should not allow prayer unless it is done silently and with no disruption of the class at all. Schools should not teach creationism. They don't teach evolution at church.

The 2nd amendment says absolutely nothing about individual gun ownership.

Answer 2

What is the question? I agree 100% with every one of those rights including freedom of religion.

1-I have no problem with Christians praying in a public forum as long as equal time is given to every other religion present. You can talk about your religion all you want. Just don't deny others the same right. Want to teach Christianity in school? Go ahead. Just don't deny Muslims, Jews, Atheists, and Satanists equal time.

The 14th Amendment grants the right to equal protection under the law and states that "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law". Given that "freedom of religion" is a "liberty" granted to us by the Bill of Rights, no one can deny you the "liberty" to talk about it (freedom of speech). You cannot deny the right of the Satanist who wishes to talk about their religion either.

2-I am a gun owner so your point is moot.

3-I don't see this happening any time in the near future.

4-So it is the liberals fault we have warrent-less wiretapping, unlawful detention facilities, "enemy combatants" who are US citizens with no access to due process, RFID chips in our passports, etc. Thank you for clearing that up...

5- Currently it is consrvatives who are pushing to deny :"due process". Check your "facts".

6- Bush and his "enemy combatant" signing statement already killed this one. Again, check your "facts".

Oddly enough, you left off a few big ones which conservatives often seem to forget. Namely the 8th (cruel and unusual punishment - like waterboarding) and the 10th (States Rights)

edit: I, too, have a problem with the neo-socialists who call themselves "liberal" nowadays. A TRUE liberal wants limited government intervention, not more of it. You and I seem to agree more than we disagree, with a few exceptions. My take on government is that if it not explicitly listed as a responsibility of the Federal Government in the Constitution, it is a States Rights issue. Both sides crossed that line long ago.

Unfortunately, we are at the mercy of what passes for "news" these days. I trust little of what I hear on the networks. Most of my political news comes direct from CSpan- the "horses mouth" as it were. Not that we can trust much of what comes out of a politicians mouth, either...

Answer 3

No one made a law that says you can't talk about your religion in public. Rather, the Supreme Court found that such acts violate the Constitution, inasmuch as they are a violation of individual rights when they take place in public places, such as schools. In the final assessment, what you believe in your home and practice at your place of worship is your own business, but don't ram it down someone else's throat. Considering the United States is a nation settled by Puritans who didn't want to be part of the Church of England, it is hard to argue the Founding Fathers, who later laid the framework of our nation, which is based on the rule of law and sanctity of personal rights, wanted religion to infringe on individual freedoms.

Answer 4

I don't know what your question is but you need to brush up on the Constitution!

The constitution doesn't protect the church from the state, it protects the state from the church. If you remember that was a big issue in England when our forefathers came here.

You can talk all you want, just don't start trying to pass laws as you don't speak for God and I am sure you have not met him...Yet!

Answer 5

So all your political thought and understanding boils down to the fact that you hate the Democrats. Wow, that's really deep and not at all superficial or shallow. I especially like the way you've managed to hypocritically accuse them of undermining the US constitution when Bush has been its' greatest enemy since its' creation.

Answer 6

and again... conservatives confuse "not liking" something with "wanting to ban" something...

and you show just how little you know about liberals...

oh, your still going