What do gay people want the rights to do?

Question

I am a homosexual male and I always thought gay activism, pride, and protests, are stupid. I have asked several questions about the "issue" of homosexuality and nobody seems to answer seriously. Is this the real issue with gay people? I was led to believe my problems are caused by religious fundamentalism and heterosexual intolerance. But many of the people I have made friends with over the years are not gay. Why is this? When I attend gay pride, I don't feel a sense of "pride" because I am not like other gay men. Am I the only homosexual who feels this way?

Lesbians don't count because you also have support from the feminist community. And you can openly discuss relationships with your hetero(male or female) friends. What I meant is people who participate in gay pride and don't have gay pride.

I have seen porn stars at gay pride but they are promoting promiscuity. It's ironic how gay men advocate matrimony but I have seen very few images of gay men who want to be in relationships.

Basically, all people have sex in private, so if gays are fighting for rights, then what are they? Why is this an issue gay men don't want to discuss? YOUR OWN FAULTS AND SELFISHNESS.

How has anything gay organizations do improved my life? If anyone wants to bemoan a lack of equality in America, then let us also discuss equality within the gay community. Discuss these inequalities in the gay realm: gender, race, appearance, intelligence, masculinity, femininity. Now does having a lack of rights which straight people have seem any different?

SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS PLEASE!

Answer 1

no to long ago sodomy and other laws were in place that were used to beat down members of the LGBT community.

I will continue to participate in Pride parades so those that come after me can enjoy a more level playing field.

Edit: do not believe the lies from the kiddie above me. we do NOT enjoy equal rights. There are over 1000 special priveledges that are afforded to heterosexual couples that marry. Same sex couples are denied these rights because they are not allowed to marry.

Answer 2

Because, Time has handed. That act by myself is principal in how we understand different individuals, situations, and circumstances. If I have been to mention (sure that is off matter) might you favor this glass of milk? you may also say sure....you then pass to take the glass of milk and best then do you detect that this glass of milk is gross and inexperienced. you might not desire the milk. BUT HEY earlier than hand you probably did DIDNTT YOU!?!? cuz in any case you could have a suite inspiration of what milk is, how scrumptious it's...however this milk is distinct hence you act another way closer to it by way of thanking the individual and pouring it down the sink. Though that analogy could also be off relation the precept is the identical. all of us have set of ways gays, blacks, jews, hispanics how EVEYROEN SHOULD BE. But the reality of hte subject is every person is distinct a few are immoral and filthy simply as a few immediately white guys are. we're all exact. Over time we develop, and we gain knowledge of to go those "set values of ways individuals are" on, simply as our father and mother (the ones guys calling blacks immoral within the 50's) handed the ones SAME VALUES ONTO US. despite the fact that....we don't seem to be the ones guys within the 50's are we? no. at present we're ourselves, we've got the ability to make our possess offerings, NOT the offerings that our father and mother and grandparents made. considering in any case the arena is distinct now.....hahaha.....we will be able to see that the milk is gross and inexperienced after they might no longer. So the query isn't whether or not they're the identical homosexual rights and black rights....for it's incorrect to mention they're whilst time has elapsed however extra importantly what's going to we do NOW with the offerings which are specified by entrance people TODAY... SO THAT MAYBE. JUST MAYBE our long term can be distinct than the long run our grandparents from the fifties gave us. Be open minded and perhaps matters will difference for the bigger :)

Answer 3

Well, of course most of your friends are straight.. most people are straight. And no gay activist would ever say that all straight people a bigots or even that most are. We aren't saying that b/c a person is religious or b/c a person is straight that that automatically means they are bigoted. It's just that most of the hatred and intolerence towards gays comes from the VERY religious people. And obviously from some straight folks. Obviously a gay person isn't going to be against gay rights. Gay pride is not stupid and neither are protests b/c gays deserve the same rights as heterosexual people. If the gay people were to lay down and allow themselves to be repressed than gay marriage would never happen, gay people would never be able to adopt children and the hateful attitudes towards gays would never change. These parades and protests are a nesisary step in the progression of the human race. What would have happend if people never protested slavory? If people never protested segregation? It's a good thing, not a bad thing. And remember no one is saying that all/ most straight or religious people are bigoted. Just that most of the stigma comes from these groups. It is the minority or these groups that spreads the hate but sadly the minority that lead.

Answer 4

I'm sure you aren't the only homosexual that feels that way which is sad. Sad for you and them that you think this way. We have come so far from the days of extreme intolerance and inequality to where we are now. We can hold jobs without fear of being fired based on sexual orientation or gender expression. In almost any city or town you can walk down the street holding hands with your partner without fear of harrasment, and certainly not arrest. Do you realize it used to be illegal in NYC to serve three gay men sitting together at a bar? Now you can go to a club without fear of such things. A transsexual can go in public in the dress of their chosen gender and not be arrested for it or have to carry a doctors note explaining to the world why they are dressed as such just in case. A lot of insurance policies now allow coverage of a gay partner, adoption is increasingly possible, even the simple fact we can have a Pride parade was a big step forward. Why is it you aren't like other gay men? Seriously....Why are you so different? Because you don't take "Pride" in the parade? Because you like everyone else in the world has friends that are straight? The issue isn't gay people, it is gay people like you. People that have no sense of how far we have come as a group of people, and rather than take pride in that prefer to walk through the doors they have opened only to seemingly slam them on someone else. The struggle goes on until there are equal rights, not just equal but seperate. We all need to ante up one way or another to ensure that is one day realized. Be thankful that the wonderful gay men, lesbians, and transpeople that came before you didn't think as you do now or you likely wouldn't even have this forum here to ask your question. You would still be in the closet worried that the other shoe may drop any day and send your world into a tailspin. Read up on stonewall, see the significant changes in the laws of the past 40 years that allow you to have the benefits now available and then reconsider whether gay activisim, pride, and protests are stupid. If you still think they are, then I feel even sorrier for you than I do now.

Edit: The Supreme Court ruled in two sodomy cases, 17 years apart, and in the second case they overruled their prior decision. In 2003 they declared state laws which criminalized consensual adult sodomy unconstitutional. Much of the cultural climate was changed in those 17 years which effectively swayed the court's decision. The emerging LGBT movement applied different strategies in order to create a more tolerant country that eventually ruled on the side of privacy rights for everyone. Below shows research that looked at the LGBT movements social outcomes and how state litigation was used for vast political changes. Without unrelenting political pressure from LGBT organizations sodomy laws would likely never have been reviewed and/or ammended. The two Supreme Court cases, Bowers v. Hardwick (478 U.S. 186 (1986)) and Lawrence v. Texas (02-102 U.S. (2003)) were also utilized in terms of the courts opinions and the reasoning that was used to justify the opposite opinions.

Serious enough? If you ever engaged in intercourse with a male then the LGBT movement has helped you. If not for them then even concesual homosexual activity in the privacy of your own home would still be illegal. Think about that. That's just the most obvious example.

Answer 5

Well lets put all this in perspective ok? Marriage does not start out as a religious action. It starts with the issuance of a "marriage certificate" from the local jurisdiction you live in.
The certificate you take to an authorized person to legally bind the two people together in a legally recognized contract. This person can be a justice of the peace, a Las Vegas chapel or a minister of your choosing. Once the authorized person within the jurisdiction joins the two people under the contract and the properly notarized document is recorded the contract is recognized by the governments of the US and for that matter most of the rest of the world.

But where the real problem lies is with the legislated interpretation of the first amendment of the US Constitution with regard to religions. Since the inception of the US was because of taxation from King George the founders choose also to protect religion from undue oversight as the Church of England was during that period of time.

Everything having to do with religion was woven into the laws of the US early on as a way of protection religious freedoms. This created special legislation to cover a myriad of things and along the way marriage was taken from religions from the interpretation of the Bible of being one man and one woman. OOPPS!!!

IF THERE IS FREEDOM OF RELIGION THEN THERE MUST BE FREEDOM FROM RELIGION AS WELL!!!

By legislating the definition of marriage, the laws have done exactly what the founders tried to prevent in the first place, IMPOSE RELIGIOUS VALUES on the subjects of the population of the various states creating the United States.

As a result we have the problem we have today. How can this be solved? A lawsuit must be brought to the US Supreme Court with the resultant decision being that any law that is in effect, imposing religious principles or doctrine upon a member of our society must be declared unconstitutional.

This kind of decision will force the rewriting of 100's of thousands of laws to conform with a Freedom From Religion type decision.

HOW WILL THIS HAPPEN? Well maybe the 10-12% gay population and another 10-12% Bi population and as much as 25% gay/bi/les/trans friendly population of the US should file a class action lawsuit against the United States Government for illegally installing religion based principles or doctrine into the laws of the US.

This suit since it is not a one of individuals but a class would have no choice but to be heard by a federal court. Presentation of the evidence alone would take years and probably three federal judges full time to come to a decision. If done correctly, the judges would have no choice but to decide in favor of the plaintiffs. Would it be appealed? -- Certainly all the way to the Supreme Court. Where it would have to be heard!!! Why? -- Because it would be speaking directly to the one of the single most sacred principles of the first amendment; Freedom of (or) from Religion.

My guess is that it would take a full 20 years to do OR if the group of people I mentioned above really got it together it would only take about 5 years.

And in the end a true separation of church and state would exist.

Answer 6

I think you are very foolish. You have the advantage of all the work and courage your brothers and sisters have done for you...standing up for equal rights, not being fired because you are gay, not being ostracized by society (most societies) for being gay, and, in general, freedom. Yet you sit behind your keyboard and question why so many are concerned???? You have one hell of a nerve, dude! I strongly suggest you go back into the closet that other's blood and tears opened for YOU...You are NOT like other gay men? ?Pray tell me how you are different? The only difference I detect is that you are mentally challanged in not seeing all the rewards you have reaped at a very steep price others have paid. You have lived a very charmed life if you cannot see what has been done in this world for gays by gays. Those brave souls who stood up to Police guns, tear gas, and nightsticks at Stonewall, 1968....and all that have had the nerve to show the straight world just how many of us there are...those are the ones I admire, and I salute them with my heart and soul...Thank you, each and everyone of you for all you have done to free me of the tyranny heaped on us by idiot straights, bible thumping haters, etc.
YOU need to read some history, sir...you need a new perspective on life..life as it really is. And yes, you may well be the only gay man who thinks he is straight! You live in serious denial, buddy...if you do not get a grip, you will have accomplished nothing in life to ease other's journeys....good grief, the bashers here are more tolerable than the drivel you are espousing!

Answer 7

Everything under the sun including unfortunately some things that no-one's sexuality should entitle them to. but thats just how some people are. they feel an unrealistic sense of entitlement that will never be satisfied. PRIDE btw is a feeling you should reserve for your ACCOMPLISHMENTS. not your gender pref.s or color or religion etc.

Religion is different from faith You can believe what you want but joining a church is like any other social group. if you break God's or the church's rules you're not welcome.

Loving someone cannot be bad.

Performing sodomy may or may not be bad, I'm gay so I hope not

Outside the context of a stable relationship all sex is frowned upon by the church anyway.

its all a matter of context.

Answer 8

Personally I would like the right to marry legally. For me the activism and protests are about equal rights an not being treated like second class citizens. As a gay man I feel that this is definitely a civil rights issue and I would like the same rights, privileges, and freedoms that a straight person enjoys and is guaranteed in our Constitution.

Answer 9

Gay people want the right to marry for one. There are many, many legal/financial benefits to being legally married vs. just living together or even domestic partners.
Gay people want the right to legally define their loved ones (partners and children) as family (Family Values).
They want the right to adopt their partner's children, just like a straight step-parent has the right to do.
Gay people want the right to have a family health insurance policy to cover their families.
Gay people want the right to not be fired from their job just because they are gay.
Gay people want the right to be able to live where ever they want.
It is very similar to the rights that people of color wanted before the civil rights movement made racial discrimination illegal.
These are just a few of the rights that gay people want. If they had these rights, gay relationships would be more loving and stable.

Answer 10

hey man, i know where your coming from. if i'm understanding correctly that in order for us to feel equality, we must first have equality in our own community. as far as the gay rights movement goes, we as a community believe i'd like to think we believe that we deserve equal rights as anybody else in this world, same as woman's/black rights to do all the things that our constitution amendment, I don't know bout you or anybody else, but i believe that the constitution states "that all men are created equal" guess now we can add women behind that since they now have the same rights, but my point is no where, does it state except for the glbt community.

we fight for out rights to be equal, for the simple fact[s] that we are here and we are queer the way god intended, we desreve to have equal treatment when it comes to domestic partnership, our jobs, discrimination wages and so forth. for example if you should be fired from your job because your either glbt, the law doesn't protect you, sure you can sue that company but because it's not part of the equal opportunity act you really don't have a leg to stand on. Same issue when it comes to parenting, lets say that your sister can't raise her child lets say,cause of an illness, and the real farther isn't around to even give a darn,so your sister opts you to be a legal guardian of the son/daughter, the father hears bout this and knows your gay and decides he wants the kid in his custody, well, the law states that he is the legal parent and has full rights of custody, irregardless of what is on paper and what has been agreed upon between your sister and you, and it's because the fact that your gay, although the papers won't really say that but when it comes to the real issue we know that society frowns upon the glbt community and believe us to be the spawn of satin. until we have our rights of heterosexuals, we will always be discriminated against in one way or the other..........

but yes i do agree w/u when it comes to the way we want the world to precieve us, and there are peeps like us that can show our pride w/out all the glam and eccentricness, but sad thing is the str8 media tend to go after those peeps on purpose to try to make a point,

ne ways good luck and hope this helps you a bit, i know i kinda went on and on, sorry bout that lol
ciao