We don't know. The ACLU didn't involve itself; and it didn't fit into the journalists' agenda.
So shut up or you'll end up with me in the re-education camp in 2008!
(Were they issued prayer rugs and a Koran?)
2007-06-11 16:15:37
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answered by Boomer Wisdom 7
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It was a little more complicated than that, as you probably know.
4 ATF officers had been killed and 16 wounded when they they tried to serve a warrant to confiscate weapons from Koresh's group. This was a very ill planned raid, and Koresh could have been arrested elsewhere, and the agents would not have been sacrificed.
The FBI arrived, set up a command center complete with a hostage negotiating team. Koresh released some of the children, but believed that God was telling him not to surrender and that it was the end of times. Religious people and ministers tried to assist in the negotiations to convince Koresh to surrender. After 51 days the FBI ran out of patience. With Reno's approval, they executed a plan to gas out the occupants of the compound using helicopters and tanks. The gas exploded or was possibly ignited by cult members who had lit fires, and the 80 people inside, including 23 children, were incinerated. To answer your question, the buildings went up in flames rather quickly. This was a terrible tragedy, and at the least, a high level official should have resigned, perhaps Reno who gave the go ahead for the final assault or the director of the FBI or deputy director -- whichever one knew the details of the tear gas plan.
2007-06-11 23:56:59
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answered by Anonymous
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Autopsies of the dead revealed that some women and children found beneath a fallen concrete wall of a storage room died of skull injuries. Photographs taken after the fire show that the M728 CEV that penetrated the building while injecting CS gas did not come close enough to cause the collapse, which was more likely the result of the fire; photographs show signs of spalling on the concrete, which suggests that it was damaged by the intense heat. Some claim that the cooking off of some of the ammunition stored in the bank vault damaged the walls, but so little energy is released by rounds which cook off that this is highly unlikely.
Autopsy photographs of other children locked in what appear to be spasmic death poses have been attributed by some to cyanide poisoning produced by burning CS gas. However, these poses are more likely the post-mortem "boxer pose" all bodies caught in fires eventually assume, created as ligaments connecting bones together shorten as the fire dries them.
Autopsy records indicate that at least 20 Davidians were shot, including five children under the age of 14, and three-year-old Dayland Gent was stabbed in the chest. The expert retained by the Office of Special Counsel concluded that many of the gunshot wounds "support self-destruction either by overt suicide, consensual execution (suicide by proxy), or less likely, forced execution."
There were 21 children in the compound at the time of the conflagration.
2007-06-11 23:17:04
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answered by acermill 7
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From the wikopedia website:
A plan was formed which would see the CEVs use booms to punch holes in the walls of buildings and then pump in CS gas ("tear gas") to try to flush out the Davidians without harming them. The plan called for increasing amounts of gas to be pumped in over two days to increase pressure. No armed assault was to be made, and loudspeakers were used to tell the Davidians that there was no armed assault and to ask them not to fire on the vehicles. Despite this, several Davidians opened fire. Instead of returning fire, the FBI increased the amount of gas being used.[1] After more than six hours no Davidians had left the building, sheltering instead in an underground bunker or using gas masks. The CEVs were used to punch several large holes in the building to provide exits for those inside. However several of these were blocked when the floor above collapsed, and Davidians were scared that they would be shot if they left.[1] At around noon, three fires started almost simultaneously in different parts of the building. Even then, as the fire spread, only nine people left the building.[1] The remaining Davidians remained inside as fire engulfed the building.
If you had done your research you would have an answer to your question. But the neo-cons believe only what they want, and not the facts of the situation. Those people stayed in there. They could have left. They didnt. No one had any clue the floor would collapse or fire would break out. Yet they still stayed holding the children with them. Clinton or Reno did not kill them. They killed themselves along with their children.
2007-06-12 00:46:27
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answered by mageduley1 2
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Why? I'm sure they didn't have a peaceful death....but there are many regimes and governments in this world, and the US is not the only one participating in this kind of behavior. What did Germany do to it's Jewish citizens ( and everyone else's) or any of it's citizens for that matter in WW2? Pol Pot? Stalin? Vlad the Impaler? Saddam Hussein? You pick some of the prime cuts outside of US....there meaty! If the people don't rise up, we'll be torn apart by our governments.
2007-06-11 23:27:37
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answered by Anonymous
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Until they were taken into the arms of the good Lord. Two of those children were my cousins, so I hope you're not asking this question just to be a you-know-what.
And other people answering here, please do a little research on this matter and don't believe all the lies told by Janet Reno. David Koresh was not some evil cult leader, he actually believed he was a prophet and I believe that he never abused any of those children. He didn't hold guns to their heads and make them stay. Their parents stayed of their own free will and thus the children wanted to stay with their parents. The followers believed in their prophet, just like any religion and no one would leave them be because they were a bit different than the mainstream. Misunderstanding of the Branch Davidians is what led to that tragedy in the first place.
2007-06-11 23:15:03
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answered by Anonymous
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Janet Reno got carried away. was she acting on Clinton's orders? we don't know for sure. did Clinton stop it? we do know that he did not. was Reno's act worse than Alberto Gonzalez firing a number of fed. attorneys? I say yes, but lib/Dem history has covered the whole thing with a wet towel to keep it down and would certainly say it was not.
2007-06-11 23:28:09
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answered by Anonymous
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You mean the hostages that the child rapist, David Koresh, was holding as a human shield? What happened to those children is regrettable. It was a law enforcement blunder while trying to catch a heinous band of criminals. David Koresh is responsible for their deaths. Using their deaths to justify a child raping cult leader or domestic terrorist who killed another nineteen children is unconscionable.
2007-06-12 00:34:10
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answered by wyldfyr 7
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They screamed for about 15 minutes. Afterwards an outraged patriotic gulf war veteran, Timmothy McVeigh evened the score with the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City, that was the base of operations for the assault squads that did the murdering. How is that for some resolved clear cut history lesson ?
2007-06-11 23:21:49
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answered by Anonymous
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We'll never know ..but we have the pictures to prove how long little Elian Gonzales screamed at 5:15 AM on April 22 , 2000 when he was seized at the end of a machine gun pointed right at him . Hopefully , he is still alive and well..
2007-06-11 23:25:46
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answered by missmayzie 7
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I want to thank Acer for his great answer. Good to know there are people on the forum who pay attention to the facts and read.
So much is said on here by people who have absolutely no clue about anything and just rant and babble.
Thanks Again.
2007-06-11 23:21:38
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answered by Anonymous
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