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the last harry potter book comes out in about a month now. any theories about the killing off of two characters? does anyone have any thoughts about snape's loyalty to dumbledore or the order? what are some of your theories about the possible outcome of the deathly hallows.

2007-06-11 04:45:03 · 9 answers · asked by phoenixchi 3 in Arts & Humanities Books & Authors

i'm going out on a limb here, but i have a groos theory... humans can be horcuxes right. and according to the rules listed by kelly, it has to have grandure, magic history, and one other thing. since voldemort was very fond of hogwarts, and was deathly afraid of doumbledore, could dumbledore be the heir of griffindore? could he, dumbledore, be the horcrux?

2007-06-12 04:23:25 · update #1

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Why Harry is NOT a Horcrux.

First, we either know or have a pretty good idea of what the Horcruxes are.

1. DIARY - destroyed
2. RING - destroyed
3. Slytherin's LOCKET - unknown where & IF destroyed yet (I think it has)
4. Hufflepuff's CUP - unknown whereabouts
5. Nagini - wherever Voldie stashed her
6. Something of Ravenclaw's OR Gryffindor's - unknown What & Where
7. Voldy himself.

That leaves #6 as the big question. It has to be something of Rowena Ravenclaw’s or Godric Gryffindor’s. Harry could be Gryffindor’s heir or descendant, right? Wrong. Jo has confirmed that Harry is not the Gryffindor heir.
Let’s look at the rules of a Horcrux.

Rules of a Horcrux

1.Object must be collectible, as a trophy and chosen with some care
2. Object must have a powerful Magical history
3. Objects that, in themselves, have a certain grandeur

Well, Harry can fit two out of three. He fits more than Nagini. Okay. I give you that one, but we know from book six that it is very likely that Nagini was made a Horcrux almost out of desperation.

To get some more insight on Horcruxes, let’s see why Jo said the sorting hat (another popular Horcrux theory)is not a Horcrux.
"Horcruxes do not draw attention to themselves by singing songs in front of large audiences."

Even though Harry does not call attention to himself, he has a lot of attention on him. I doubt he would make a good Horcrux.

We know that Voldy places a lot of store in a witch or wizard’s blood lines. Harry is basically a half blood, and ol' Voldy wouldn't consider him good enough to hold a part of his soul.

Voldy has tried to kill Harry four times. 1st - SS through Quirrell 2nd - COS through the Basilsk 3rd - GOF at the Cemetery 4th - OOTP at the MOM

Does it make sense that Voldy would spend so much time and effort on trying to kill Harry if he held a piece of his soul? The answer is NO! There is more evidence to prove that Harry is not a Horcrux, than that he is one.

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2007-06-12 04:07:40 · answer #1 · answered by kellyrv_bsa 5 · 1 1

I'll try to make this short. I think he is

It would make perfect sense for Voldemort to make Harry a horcrux. Voldemort is a evil person. If he knew that Harry is supposed to kill him then would want an advantage, so he put himself in Harry so the only way Harry could kill him is by killing himslef. I don't think Voldemort expects Harry to do that.

But the evidence is: He offered Harry a chance to live and join him.

He wants to kill Harry himself

DD told Harry that Voldemort put a piece of himself in him in year one

It is known that living things can be horcuxes. The only thing is that DD was wrong about what living thing is one.

I always point out that the only Hrcrux we have seen and got a description of is Slytherin's ring. On the ring there was a crack. Now we don't know if the crack was there before he made it a horcrux of only got there after. However I think it is intersting to note that harry was a crack like ( the scar) shape on his head. Meaning that it is a ark something gets after it has been made a horcrux.

So i think all the evidence it there that he could be one, the only thing I'm worried about is if it can be removed.

2007-06-11 09:24:57 · answer #2 · answered by toonmili 3 · 1 2

1. Harry is not a horcrux! (This idea makes no sense in light of the prophesy for one, and why would Voldemort put part of his soul into someone he might have to fight anyway). Also, were that the case, Harry can't vanquish Voldemort unless he let Voldemort cast a death spell at him, then cast one of his own at Voldemort, because all the horcruxes have to be destroyed before Voldemort can die.
2. Pettigrew still has a debt to Harry and that debt will be collected upon.
3. Neville will find his strength and confidence.
4. Bill Weasley's marriage will be the scene of a big fight, and maybe the death of one of the major characters.
5. Draco Malfoy will not be a major factor, unless he admits to himself that he is in over his head with the Deatheaters and turns coat.
6. We will find out that Harry is Dumbledore's heir, and among the things he gets is the pensieve and a bunch of very instructive memories.
7. First, we are assuming that either Harry or Voldemort dies. I believe that Harry lives, because it is a children's/YA series after all and the central character of such series never die, JKR will not buck that canon.

Otherwise: My handicapping, in order of likelihood (IMHO):

Ron, Percy, Pettigrew, Fred/George, Neville, Lupin, Hagrid, Hermione, Petunia, Dudley, Tonks, Mr./Mrs. Weasley, Malfoy, Ginny, Bill, Fleur, Luna, Snape.
8. Finally, about Snape:
Snape is Snape. He is beyond the sort of simplistic categorization as "good" or "evil", IMHO. I do believe he is not as evil as he appeared at the end of HBP. It would take too much space to really go into this in detail, but consider this:

It is well known that Snape played the double-agent prior to the death of Harry's parents, and there is no reason to believe he wasn't still a double agent on the anti-Voldemort side. Why then did he bind himself to the success of Draco's mission and then actually kill Dumbledore?
My answer: Dumbledore knew that destroying Slytherin's ring had fatally wounded him and Snape knew so too. Therefore he allowed himself to be bound to Dumbledore"s death, a death he knew was imminent and against which he knew Dumbeldore had taken precautions to ensure that his death would not derail the anti-Voldemort movement.

Now, on the other hand, if Snape has turned coats; why did he not kill Harry* or disable him and take him helpless to Voldemort? JKR made it clear that Harry is no match for Snape as a wizard (yet). If you look at Snapes "taunts" at Harry and put them into anyone else's mouth, they're very good advice on what Harry needs yet to learn to fight strong adult wizards on anything like equal terms.
My answer is that Dumbledore at some point shortly after Harry was orphaned made Snape take an unbreakable vow to protect Harry. This fits in perfectly with Snape's actions toward Harry in the books thus far. Yes, Snape is a mean SOB to Harry, but that is Snape's personality, and he didn't vow to be nice to Harry after all.

My conclusion is that in Book Seven, Snape will act covertly and eventually overtly to aid Harry, that he will likely live, and that Harry will be just as in the dark over Snape's motivations as when Harry entered Hogwarts. (BTW, the above is why I don't think Harry will die. If I'm right, then Snape dies too if Harry dies, and Snape is the ultimate survivor).

*My reading of the prophecy is that there is no requirement that either has to directly kill the other, just that one no longer lives, so I think Snape certainly could have killed Harry and talked his way out of it afterwards

2007-06-11 12:04:01 · answer #3 · answered by WolverLini 7 · 1 1

I think Voldemort prepared his horcruxes before he went to kill the potters then how would Harry be a Horcrux?

2007-06-12 02:23:09 · answer #4 · answered by rupert g 2 · 1 0

No Harry is not a Horcrux. I believe J.K. has already debunked this myth.

And I think Harry and Ginny will die.

Harry will die because a) he is the tragic hero and they always die and b) because J.K. doesn't want anyone picking up the series after she's through. Book 7 is THE END.

And Ginny will die because, well, if we're dealing with a tragedy, then the love must die as well, right?

IDK, I'm pretty sure Harry will die but only guessing that Ginny will.

2007-06-11 05:03:55 · answer #5 · answered by notsoswan 4 · 1 1

Since these books are so terribly written (first one is OK), I don't know how anyone can stand to read them. I struggled through the first five books and decided not to waste my time right now with book six. There are libraries full of better books for kids, young adults, and especially adults. I can't wait until this fad is over and everyone forgets about this. I'm glad my kids didn't grow up during the Dark Age of Harry Potter illiteracy.

2007-06-11 05:29:50 · answer #6 · answered by God_Lives_Underwater 5 · 0 5

itd be funny if she killed harry thus, ending any hopes of more books

2007-06-11 04:59:32 · answer #7 · answered by the troll 3 · 1 1

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2007-06-11 04:50:47 · answer #8 · answered by . 6 · 1 1

The question on everyone's mind, "Is Harry a Horcrux?". Im my opinion, no he is not. Although this might just be wishful thinking on my part. Slughorn tells Tom Riddle that Horcruxes are very dark magic – so dark that they are a forbidden topic at Hogwarts. Slughorn indicates that, in order to create a Horcrux, the wizard hides a part of the soul in an object outside the body. Then, if the body is destroyed, the wizard would not die, “for part of the soul remains earthbound and unchanged” (HBP, pg. 497).
The Horcruxes, or assumed ones, are the cup, the locket (most likely the one in Grimmauld Place), the ring, Nagini, the diary, and one last unknown object.
Now the only two that we approach with a certain amount of doubt are Nagini and the last unknown object. Now, Dumbledore has studied Voldemort and his Horcruxes for years and years. He believes that one is a founder's object. The only known ones belonging to Gryffindor were the sword, which Voldy would be unable to reach due to the fact that it was only discovered in CoS and the Sorting Hat is not one, JKR has already debunked that rumor, Ravenclaw, we are unsure of, but I'll come back to that later. Now, I do think that Nagini is a Horcrux because of a passage from OotP. Right after the attack on Mr. Weasley, they go into Dumbledore's office, where there is an instrument that shows a snake curling out, but when Dumbledore says, "but in essence divided," they split. I think that he was talking about Voldemort and Nagini in that passage. He was possessing her while she was a Horcrux, meaning that there were two parts of his soul in there that were in essence divided. Some say that Frank is not a significant murder and therefore doesn't merit a Horcrux, but you have to remember the state of Voldemort at the time. He was just starting to regain his strength after many years of wandering and being less than a ghost, and this was the first Muggle killing that he had partcipated in since his "death". I think that he might have chosen taht moment of celebration and convenience to make her into one. He had killed Bertha earlier, but Horcruxes require a spell and concentration to create one. He probably would not have been up to making one at the time of Bertha's murder in his weakened state.
If you accept that Nagini is a Horcrux, that leaves one left to destroy. This can be something of Ravenclaw's or Harry himself (I don't think that it can be something of Gryffindor's for the reasons listed above) or possibly something else entirely. Now if it belonged to Ravenclaw, I think that it would be hidden at the orphanage. He hides them in places that are significant, but there are enchantments that need to be broken to retrieve it (besides for the diary). Dumbledore said that it took all of his power to get the ring and we all know what had to be done to retrieve the fake locket. Or I read this theory elsewhere and it intrigued me, could Hogwarts itself possibly be a Horcrux? There are many enchantments that surround it and Dumbledore said that Tom always felt a strong connection to it. It has always been assumed that Voldemort did not attack Hogwarts because of Dumbledore, but could it possibly be the he did not want to storm the castle because it contained part of his soul? He could have easily killed someone before he came to apply for the Dark Arts job and then turned the castle itself into a Horcrux.
Then, there are two last options about what/who the Horcrux is and they are that the Horcrux is either Ginny or Harry. In CoS, as we all remember, Tom Riddle makes a very big point that he started pouring a little bit of his own soul bit by bit into Ginny, but I don't want to talk about that anymore. I love Ginny too much.
This brings us to the final question about Harry. I think that he isn't. All indications from the book say that there has to be an intentional spell cast to make a Horcrux after you commit a murder. Now, he could have done it after he killed Lily, but what would the significance of her death be. He would have saved it until he had killed Harry, who the prophecy was directed at. The spell rebounded on him and took away his body immediately (we all saw how fast it worked on Cedric). He would not have had time to do so before his death and Harry's survival. Then there is the idea of the accidental Horcrux. That part of his soul was put into Harry by mistake. But, again, I am going to dismiss this idea based on two simple things. One, Dumbledore had told Harry it is inavdisable to make something with a soul into a Horcrux. Why? Because the being can die. Now, if Harry was actually a Horcrux and Voldemort would have figured this out if Harry actually was one, why would he try to kill him so often? If part of his own soul is encased in Harry he wouldn't try to murder him every other second. Secondly, the prophecy. It clearly states, "neither can live while the other survives." If Harry were a Horcrux, he would have to be dead to kill Voldemort. Neither can live, implies that either one has the possiblity of surviving, but if it were true that Harry was a Horcrux, he would not be able to survive.
Also, if Harry lives, Voldemort would be able to survive, since Harry encases part of his soul. If Harry were to die, Voldmort could be killled.

Now the next question on everyone's mind: Is Snape evil? Again my answer to this is, "no." Snape is in my opinion more Dumbledore's man than even Harry is. Harry was reluctant to agree to leave Dumbledore if was ordered to run, you'll remember in HPB. Dumbledore, despite Voldemort and Draco's assertions, is not a fool. He has to have had a reason to trust Snape (what he trust him for is unknown. Could it have something to do with Lily?). However, Snape has proven himself throughout the books. He has saved or tried to save Harry many times, although he throughly despises him because of James. The chapter at Spinner's End also showed us one of the few moments where Snape showed emotion. Snape is very calculating, he is great at Occulemency and for good reason. He can hold his emotions very well. There are very few instances where he couldn't (end of HPB with the coward line, the performance of the Unbreakable Vow and the killing of Dumbledore, and after Harry saw his memory of James). He flinched when he had to take part in the vow because he knew that he needed to do it, but hated doing it. He also is quite smart (brilliant in fact). If Scrimgeour could deduce that Harry was in the tower because of the two brooms, I think that Snape could as well. That it what I think happened in that tower. Dumbledore was begging Snape to kill him, not to save himself and Draco (although I'm sure that was part of Dumbledore's thought process), but most importantly to save Harry, one of the few people in the world he truly despises and he had to kill Dumbledore to save him. After he saved his life, Harry called him a coward. Snape at that time, tortured Harry a little out of anger, but he warned off the ones that wanted to kill Harry saying that he belonged to the Dark Lord. Snape is a complex character, but I truly believe that he is Dumbledore's man through and through. I do not think that he is loyal to the Order though. I think that the Order and everyone in it are people that he put up with but did not like.
Deaths: the most likely and the ones that I'm pretty sure will happen are Hagrid, Snape and Voldemort, but those are the only ones that I'm pretty sure will die. Hagrid because he's a father figure and all of Harry's father figures die. Snape because at this point whether he's good or evil, he's commited crimes that people will want to punish him for. Voldemort jsut because this is a kids book and good never triumphs over evil in kid's books.
I think that Ron and Hermione will definitely survive and I'm pretty sure that Dobby will and that Bill and Fleur will make it.
Eveyone else can go either way. Jo can kill them or let them live and we won't know until the book comes out.

2007-06-11 06:06:40 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

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