Conservatives: Have your opinions been given to you?

Question

With respect to the war: No insult here, but isn't it possible that you have been deceived? Read the following quotes and then consider the rhetoric coming from Bush. Sound familiar?

"Of course the people dont want war...that is understood. But voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." -- Hermann Goering (1893-1946 leading member of the Nazi Party, second in command of the Third Reich, and commander of the Luftwaffe.)

Now consider:

"Wars are seldom caused by spontaneous hatreds between people, for peoples in general are too ignorant of one another to have grievances and too indifferent to what goes on beyond their borders to plan conquests. They must be urged to the slaughter by politicians who know how to alarm them."
-- Henry Mencken

Dale, Gedger, Culture Warrior, and Brick, you guys keep referring to Osama and 9/11. I would support an effort to get Osama. Bush abandoned that plan in march 2003 by going into Iraq. Remember "WMDs and Liberating the Iraqi people"? Last time I checked Saddam Hussein was dead and Bin Laden is alive. What happened to actually trying to kill Bin Laden? Are you unable to differentiate one from the other? And Bush's rhetoric is right out of Nazi Germany!

Flip Saunders when did Iraq attack the United States? Two different countries...two different conflicts. Do you really believe Bin Laden is in Iraq? Why are we fighting Iraq when Bin Laden is in Afghanistan or Pakistan? Truth is my friend you have had your opinion handed to you.

Granderson - You seem to have a reasonable temperament. I remember 9/11/2001 like it was yesterday. I flew from New York to California on 9/09/2001. Do not think for a minute that, that date has left me. But we are not prosecuting the perpetrators of that catastrophe. That is the issue. The other war has been sold to you and me under false pretenses.

Answer 1

I lived 911 in Nyc and was a survivor of that modern day holocause. nothing was "given" to me at all. I saw people jump to their deaths over this and have seen personally the horror of not responding to al qaeda. the sad and pathetic truth is that popular opinoon and what is right dont always mix and the defense of ths country against al qaeda is a prime and classic example. Since you seem to be a fan of quotes, let me offer one. Benjamin Franklin said, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, the key word here being eternal. Regardless of pulbic opinoin, if you become a coward like Harry Reid then you are no better than the people who stood by in world war two and watched people in germany get killed. The idea that I was lead or manipulated by what I had seen is ridiculous. I will be fifty next March, if i was needed and could go to fight, I would. Can you say the same about members of the pelosi/reid regime...fat chance.

Answer 2

My opinions are hardly given to me. I know for a fact that I wasn't deceived. I was in the Air Force during Desert Storm. They SHOULD have let us finish the job in 1991.

I could care less. When someone is told to finish something they should have finished years ago, the standard line from them is "It's about bleep time." I could care less if they had to outright lie to everyone else to get them on that side long enough to finish the job.

I will say that it was poorly handled and the military cuts from the 1990s REALLY showed up early and often in Iraq.

Iraq DID have terror links prior to the invasion, too. Ever hear of Abu Nidal? If you haven't, then you need to educate yourself before you even THINK about discussing Iraqi links to international terror organizations and if they exist or not. If you do, could you explain to me why he went back to living in Baghdad after Libya had decided to being to get out of the terror game and expel him? Oh, but there are no links to the Iraqi government and any terror group. I think the links are there and they are more than clearly shown more than once. Are there links from the former Iraqi government to Al-Qaeda? I honestly don't know. I highly suspect there are, based on links to other terror groups, actions Iraq took during the 1990s against American forces and American interests, and Al-Qaeda's active work against American interests all over the world. We know that Saddam had a free flow of money from oil sales, mostly due to UN corruption in the oil for food mess, and it would make sense to fund an organization that not only is willing to attack American targets, but is actively attacking American targets with success.

We know FOR A FACT that Iraq gave many different kinds of support to terror groups going back decades. And we are not talking you mainstream Middle Eastern terror groups, oh no. He would give it the fringe groups, too.

I don't have to be lied to when it comes to doing the right thing and finishing a job that should have been done 12 years prior. It's all the other people who can't see that it was the right thing to do.

I still don't know that anyone was lied to. Bush said nothing that hadn't been said for years before him. But suddenly, what is believed for years and years to be fact is a lie for no reason at all other than it is now found to be wrong. Not intentionally wrong, just not correct.

Some things cannot be disputed as fact. There were NUMEROUS violations of the 1991 Cease-Fire agreement. There is clear indications that the Iraqi government was giving aid to many terror groups, as Adu Nidal could testify to that. There were MANY attacks on US aircraft operating in Operation Southern Watch and Operation Northern Watch. It is also a fact that after the Gulf War, Saddam didn't concider the US their biggest threat, he still concidered IRAN his biggest threat.

I know this whole thing is a little more complicated than you would like to admit. There is no simple little phrase that can be put on a bumper sticker that sums this whole thing up. When you look at the complexities of something like this whole thing, and not the hair-brained crap like "The US government was behind 9/11" and ilks like that, you can CLEARLY see how someone can honestly look at everything and believe that it follows that A leads to B leads to C leads to D, when maybe there is no C and B leads directly to D.

Oh, and chemical weapons WERE found. They had expired in 1996 but were supposed to have been destroyed. I don't know what is worse. That these weapons were hidden instead of destroyed, or that when they were found, there was basically no positive control over those weapons. Even expired Mustard gas is VERY dangerous stuff, it just doesn't want to weaponize very well.

Answer 3

With all due respect, you post propaganda and put it forward as truth, it is not. A study of history will show that the people we are fighting now were indeed supporters of the man you quoted. They had made deals with Hitler and currently share his view.

Has it occurred to you that you know nothing of the history or the failing of man kind and you view stem simply from a hatred of people you consider to have done your people wrong in the past? You are of course free to leave this country and find one to your liking though I suspect you already know you would not be tolerated in most.

When you are attacked you fight. You win you do not simply strike. The enemy teaches children we are the devil we do not teach our children that our enemy is the devil.

Answer 4

Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robinson tell the sheep what to believe even when Bush says totally different in his speeches, and press conferences. The Conservatives don't really care about the state of America, they only want total control leadership even if it all is a total mess. You waist your time, and it is best to just walk around them and ignore what they say and think. They act as if Bush is Reverend Moon.

Answer 5

Liberals maximum easily help Cathy's authentic to loose speech. He can say something he desires to, and we've the nicely suited to vocally disagree. We even have merely as plenty authentic as conservatives to vote with our ft and refuse to speculate in places that publicly disagree with us. the version is; greater human beings help gay marriage sufficient to renounce chick-fil-a than there are human beings hostile to it prepared to pass without mc donalds, amazon, j.c. penny's, and oreos. those campaigns exist yet are not doing nicely because of the sheer sort of remarkable issues they had ought to do without. on the same time because it smacks of 5 12 months previous playground stuff, conservatives all started it, we are merely ending it.

Answer 6

You're wasting your time on this bunch, my friend. Everybody with brown skin was flying those planes on 9/11. The Iranians, Iraqis, Taliban, Palestinians, Mexicans. Huge brown people conspiracy. Republicans don't care who gets slaughtered as long as they're brown.

Answer 7

Amen. Although since you brought up Nazi Germany, you have to admit that some wars are justified. Sometimes politicians are capable of acting out of more than just self-interest.

Answer 8

No, but it seams that you have gotten your from either Michel Moore, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean or some other Democrat Leader. Who spread all kinds of hate for this President. It seams that you have forgotten 9/11.

Answer 9

"All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked"

are you serious? we WERE attacked, no one "told us" we were being attacked.

and i think you would find that most conservatives would agree that this war was terribly mismanaged, myself included. liberals have this far fetched idea in their heads that all the world's problems can be solved by discussion. sadly this is not the case...

Answer 10

Hey Brick.....when did Osama relocate to Iraq?