Why does everyone think Kobe sucks?

Question

well for all u hater he's the best everyone knows it but they don't want 2 say it. and for all you that think mj the best he isn't magic is but soon to be kobe cuz look at there stats kobe has better stats and if u guys think steven nash is better than kobe ur wrong to cuz he sucks the only reason why he is so good its cuz he has all stars players around him look at the line up n compare it to kobes line up yea n he still isn't able to get his team to the finals with a good line up so that mean he must suck (some mvp he is) as for kobe he makes it to the 1st round with no one really that good n in the western conference n for you that think james is better hes not he's good but he's not better its the same thing as steven nash he has alright player around him n he is in the eastern conference n if him n his team were in the west they wouldn't good as good as they do in the east so yea kobe is the best so stop HATING n he still has more years to come

well for all u hater he's the best everyone knows it but they don't want 2 say it. and for all you that think mj the best he isn't magic is but soon to be kobe cuz look at there stats kobe has better stats and if u guys think steven nash is better than kobe ur wrong to cuz he sucks the only reason why he is so good its cuz he has all stars players around him look at the line up n compare it to kobes line up yea n he still isn't able to get his team to the finals with a good line up so that mean he must suck (some mvp he is) as for kobe he makes it to the 1st round with no one really that good n in the western conference n for you that think james is better hes not he's good but he's not better its the same thing as steven nash he has alright player around him n he is in the eastern conference n if him n his team were in the west they wouldn't good as good as they do in the east so yea he still has more years to come n he only ball hogs cuz like y would he pass it if he's that good

Answer 1

KOBE is 28yrs OLD!!!!!.....
SO compare them both at 28yrs old..and you have this!..
Haters always say...'MJ WENT TO COLLEGE..MJ WENT TO COLLEGE"....OK..Let's look at his college career...shall we!...
Jordon in college!!.................
In 1998, I saw ESPN’s website had a profile of great performances in the NCAA tournament. They had players like Bill Bradley (Who scored a record 56 points in a Final Four game), Bill Walton (21 of 22 shooting the NCAA Championship), Danny Manning (36 points, 19 rebounds in the 1988 championship), and such. Listed in these great performances was Michael Jordan in 1982. What was Jordan’s amazing performance? Well, he had a whopping 16 points. Wow. He hit the shot that put North Carolina ahead with 15 seconds left. Buzzer beater? Nope.

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Who was the star of the 1982 tournament? James Worthy was. He was the first-team All-American. Jordan wasn’t even all-conference. Worthy led the team in scoring for the season, the tournament, and even the championship game (28 points). Worthy was also the tournament MVP, and the East Region's Most Outstanding Player. After Jordan’s shot, Worthy stole the ball from Georgetown's Fred Brown to seal the victory. Where was Worthy on ESPN’s site? He was nowhere to be found. Instead Jordan makes it for one shot. Where was Keith Smart? Where was Scottie Thurman? They were also one-shot wonders.

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This was yet ANOTHER example of how the media hypes Jordan to no end. In every way possible, Worthy led that team to the title, yet the history revisionists have tried to credit it to Jordan.

Well, since Jordan supposedly "led" Carolina to the title, how did he do for his remaining two seasons, without Worthy? Let’s look. In 1981, the year before Jordan supposedly led Carolina to the title, Sam Perkins, Al Wood and James Worthy led the Tar Heels to the National Championship game, where they lost to Isiah Thomas and the Indiana Hoosiers. That means they played in two consecutive championship games. Surely Jordan would "will his team to victory" and carry on this streak of championship game appearances, right? Wrong.

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In 1982, after winning the title, James Worthy left for the NBA. Jordan would go on to win The Sporting News’ College Player of the Year during the next two seasons. His teams were very talented, as they boasted such players as Sam Perkins (#4 pick in the 1984 draft…right behind Jordan), Brad Daugherty (#1 in the 1986 draft) and Kenny Smith (#6 in the 1987 draft). The players were there and Jordan was there with his mythical "will to win". How many more championships did Carolina win during Jordan's career? None. How many final four appearances? None. Jordan choked, and when I say choke, I mean his teams failed to live up to their seed. Despite having a #1 and a #2 seed, Jordan's teams were defeated in the sweet 16 and the Elite Eight.

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Some would argue that the NCAA tournament is upset-prone, but do upsets really apply to a talented team starring Michael Jordan? Jordan simply "refuses to lose". He "wills his team to victory" and all of the other hyped-up slogans the media attribute to Jordan. Where was it? Jordan left it in his other suit, I guess. Wilt Chamberlain was called a "loser" for losing to an undefeated team in the finals in triple-overtime, yet Jordan couldn't even lead a team to the Finals, let alone the Final Four -- and he's supposed to be the "best ever?" I think not. Funny how short Jordan comes up when you level the playing field and use the same standards to measure him that are used to measure everybody else.

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Did Jordan have a great college career? Yes. Was he a winner? No. Did he have one of the all-time great NCAA tournament performances? Not even close! Is he one of the all-time great college players? No. Sports Illustrated wisely left Jordan off of their all-time college team. But then again, SI and Jordan haven’t been on speaking terms since 1995—so that makes them a little more truthful in their reporting.

This is just one of the many examples of how the media hype is exposed as a farce when the examined by the light of truth. Jordan was a good college player over-hyped by the revisionist media. He was an elite NBA player, falsely placed above all others by the same stupid media.

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Games with 15+ assists
Jordon: 1
Kobe Bryant: 1
Games with 12+ assists
Jordon: 11
Kobe Bryant: 12
Games with 10+ assists
Jordon: 45
Kobe Bean Bryant: 52
Games with 8+ assists
Jordon: 135
Kobe Bean Bryant: 114
Games with 5+ assists
Jordon: 312
Kobe Bean Bryant: 353
(reg season)Games with less than 3 assists
Jordon: 150
Kobe Bean Bryant: 118
Games with less than 2 assists
Air Jordon: 51
Kobe Bryant: 55
(reg season)Games with NO assists
Jordon: 7
Kobe Bryant: 10
Games with 15+ rebounds
Jordon: 3
Kobe Bryant: 2
Games with 12+ rebounds
Jordon: 31
Kobe Bryant: 25
Games with 10+ rebounds
Jordon: 63
Kobe Bryant: 70

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GOT DEFENSE?..In MJ's First NBA Finals.......
Magic Johnson exploited MJ's defense in games 1 and 2 of the 1991 Finals. After putting 3 fouls on Jordan in the first half of game 2, Phil Jackson opted to move Pippen over to guard Magic and put Jordan on James Worthy. Fortunately for Jordan and Jackson, Worthy was playing on a sprained ankle, which eliminated his dominance (he had 3 inches on Jordan, and he was the guy who dropped 42 points on Dennis Rodman in Game 7 of the 1988 finals).

Young Jordan was a great on the ball defender and he was the very best player of his era at roaming the passing lanes.

There, it's out. He was a very good defender. I don't have any problems with his 1988 defensive player of the year award and his 6 first-team all defense awards up that point.

However, after that, he was a very overrated defender. He got old and lost a step and it showed. It happens to everybody, but Jordan's fans couldn't accept it. Let me give examples.

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In 1995 and 96, Clyde Drexler and Anfernee Hardaway continued giving Jordan problems when they posted up on him. That is undertandable as they were bigger than Jordan. However, Jordan's lost a step on his quickness and in 1996, Pooh Richardson lit up Jordan...Pooh Richardson. Damon Stoudamire had his way with Jordan that year (Stoudamire's rookie season). While Stoudamire was very quick, Phil Jackson's answer to him spoke volumes about Jordan: Phil put Scottie Pippen on Stoudamire. Jordan was so slow that a 6'7" 225 lb FORWARD was Jackson's answer to a guard. Phil began opting to put Ron Harper on the other team's better offensive guard. Jordan fanatics claim this was "resting" Jordan for offense. No, this is called "rationalizing." Young Jordan guarded the other team's best guard AND lit up his opponents for 32+ PPG.

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Old Jordan simply could not guard the best guards any more (remember when he got caught in the switch with Allen Iverson the next year and how bad Iverson made him look?) .

What was truly sad was that Jordan continued making first team all-defense, but Ron Harper did not. Jordan wasn't even the best defensive guard on his own team any more. He didn't deserve those accolades.

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Undeserving Accolades aren't uncommon to Jordan. Remember the 2002 All-Star game? The fans vote and they DON'T want to see old Jordan. They don't name him a starter. If Jordan deserved it, the coaches, who pick the reserves, would name him a reserve. Instead, they too, pass on Jordan. Then, the media starts crying for Vince Carter to give up his starting job to Jordan and apply pressure until Carter gives in. The fans didn't want to see Jordan and the coaches knew he wasn't good enough, but he still makes it, because the media wants to see him.

And then there's the 1988 dunk contest. It's just sad how we have to manufacture our heroes these days.

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(playoff) Games with 8+ steals
jordon: 0
KOBE: 2
Games with 7+ steals
jordon: 0
KOBE: 1
Games with 6+ steals
jordon: 2
KOBE: 6
Games with 5+ steals
jordon: 24
KOBE: 26
Games with 4+ steals
jordon: 60
KOBE: 63
Games with 3+ steals
jordon: 153
KOBE: 165

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Kobe Bryant has 3 of the top 25 game scores.
What is Game Score? Game Score is a simple formula that evaluates a player’s individual game performance. All statistics in the box score are summed up, with different weights for different stats, to show how impressive a player’s all-around contribution is

Jordon averages 23 shots a GAME!!...He has led the league in FG attempts a record 9 TIMES!!!......does he make his teamates better?...Got Help???

One theory was that Jordan drew so much defensive attention that his teammates got to take wide open shots and benefited from Jordan. It sounds good on paper, but wasn't true in reality. Jordan played in 1993 and retired in 1994. Nine players played on these two teams, and these 9 players, as a whole, shot a higher percentage without Jordan than they did with Jordan, even though the defenses were focusing on them. This was not a fluke. this occurred over the course of 164 games. That is enough to determine a trend.

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Furthermore, this was proven again in 2001, when Jordan joined Washington. Jordan missed a lot of games due to injury, and The Sporting News commented on their surprise that the Wizards shot better in games in which Jordan did not play. This is no surprise. This is a trend.

Why?

Guys like Oscar Robertson, Jason Kidd, Larry Bird, and Magic Johnson all wanted their team to take the best shot each time down the floor. They had no problems passing the ball to a teammate who had a better shot. That is why their teammates shot such a higher percentage when they played with these guys. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar once said that Magic Johnson knows where your best shot is, even if you do not, and Magic throws the ball in such a way that if you hustle, you will find the ball in your hands for an easy shot that you didn't know was there. That is called "setting up a teammate."

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In Jordan's case, he did not have this mentality. Jordan once said, "I thought of myself first, the team second. I always wanted my teams to be successful. But I wanted to be the main cause." He wanted to be the center of the spotlight. He was selfish to the core. He only wanted to win if it brought praise to him. In his mind, HE had the best shot most of the times down the floor. One time, Bill Cartwright chastised Jordan for not giving up the ball while he was double-teamed. Jordan responded with "but one of the two players was Fred Roberts!" It didn't matter if there was an open teammate, because Jordan thought taking a shot over two guys was better than somebody else taking an uncontested shot.

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Doug Collins tried to put Jordan at the point guard in 1989. The idea was that Jordan was such a tremendous penetrator, that he could break down a defense and hit the open man or score. Jordan responded with 11 triple doubles in his first 13 games. However, he was often found going to the scorers' table to check to see how many rebounds or assists he needed to get a triple-double. He played for stats. Doug Collins later said, "Do you know who's the biggest obstacle to us running? Michael Jordan, that's who. He won't let go of the ball."

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This selfishness resulted in players standing around and watching Jordan, or Jordan not passing to the open guy with the best shot. Without Jordan, the teams flowed into their offense and found the open man. That is why they consistently shoot better when Jordan doesn't play. Jordan simply does not make his teammates better.

Name one player whose career was enhanced by Jordan. I never received a serious challenge. Let’s look at some of the candidates.

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Scottie Pippen – The press love to sing long songs about Jordan made Pippen. However, their songs are missing a few verses. For example. Why did Pippen have his finest seasons without Jordan? In 1994, Pippen averaged 22 ppg, 8.7 rpg, and 5.6 apg. In 1995, Pippen became only the second player in history (Dave Cowens was the first) to lead his team in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals. How could he do this without Jordan to make him better?

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Furthermore, when deciding to retire, Jordan said over and over that he would not play without Pippen. While recovering from foot "Why did [Scottie] Pippen have his finest seasons when Jordan was playing baseball?"
surgery in December of 1997, Pippen said that he was not going to play with the Bulls when he was fully recovered. Jordan said that if he had known this, he would not have come back. Why? If Jordan makes everyone so much better, why not fill in Scott Burrell into Pippen’s position (or Toni Kukoc, for that matter), and make another Pippen? Answer: Jordan didn’t make Pippen. Pippen made Pippen. Without Jordan, he is still the dominating defensive player, and he continues to be a complete player.
The typical Jordan fan will respond with "how many championships did Pippen win without Jordan?" The answer is zero. Likewise, how many championships did Jordan win without Pippen? Zero

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Comparing these two players apart from each is very unfavorable for Jordan. Pippen had a better career record and a better post-season record than Jordan. Pippen's only losing season was his final year in the NBA, when he missed much of the season due to injury and was in a veteran leadership role for the young re-building Bulls. That was the only time in Pippen's career he had a losing record and the only time he missed the playoffs. Jordan played 5 seasons without Pippen. Out of those 5 seasons, he posted 5 losing records, missed the playoffs twice, and was 1-9 in the playoffs

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Think about it: Jordan never had a winning record apart from Pippen. Pippen played on many playoff teams in Portland and Houston without Jordan.

It makes you wonder who made who a better ball player, or at least who was the most valuable player to the win-loss column.





Dennis Rodman – Rodman had established himself LONG before playing with Jordan. His defensive reputation was made in Detroit, where he was voted the Defensive Player of the Year in 1990 and 91. His rebounding ability was established in Detroit, also, where he won the first of his seven consecutive rebounding titles (4 without Jordan), and his reputation as a winner was established in Detroit, where he won two titles – both times defeating Jordan’s Bulls. "Rodman established his rebounding and winning ways in Detroit, when he beat Jordan twice on the way to the championship

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"If 7 points and 5 rebounds per game is your shining example ofJordan making someone better, than Jordan sucked at improving those around him." Luc Longley – Put simply, Longley was a bad player before he joined the Bulls. He was a bad player when he played with the Bulls, and he was a bad player after he left the Bulls. Nobody has questioned Jason Kidd’s ability to improve his teammates, and even he hasn’t been able to coax out respectable play from Longley. If seven points and 5 rebounds is what you want out of your center, then Longley is your man, but you don’t need Jordan to get this out of him.
If 7 points and 5 rebounds per game is your shining example of Jordan making someone better, than Jordan sucked at improving those around him. He improved Longley from a laughable joke to a mildly amusing joke. Wow!

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John Paxson – This is the guy that most Jordan fans bring up. Paxson was on the perfect team in Chicago (perhaps the only team he could get significant minutes with), but his career blossomed because of Scottie Pippen, not Jordan. Let me explain:
Jordan could not play well with classic "drive-and-dish" style points. He disliked playing with Sam Vincent and Steve Colter for this very reason. The reason why was because they were in the lane too much, and Jordan wanted to be the one to drive to the basket. The logical choice would be to have Jordan play the point guard and have a spot-up shooter in the shooting guard slot. However, according to Phil Jackson, Jordan lacked the passing skills to play the point guard and he hogged the ball too much. No one really doubts Jackson's knowledge of the game.
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Jordan lacked the skills to play point guard and didn't like playing with guards who played the classic point guard role. That means in order for Jordan to play with a spot-up shooter, one of the forwards would have to play the point. Guess who that was?"

Because Jordan cannot co-exist with a typical point guard and can't play it himself, that means somebody else has to bring up the ball and be the point man. Guess who that was? Scottie Pippen. Pippen was a rare breed in that he was a forward who could handle point duties. That short list consists of Larry Bird, Paul Pressey, Grant Hill, and Pippen. In his book "Sacred Hoops", Jackson lauds Pippen for his ability to run the offense and figure out who is hot and cold and how many shots a player needs and how frequently to stay in his rhythm. These were things that Jordan could not do, because he only cared about his own shots.

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Because Pippen could play the point, that allowed Paxson to play alongside of Jordan, even though he lacked all point guard skills. This means that Jordan did not make Paxson a better player. Pippen did. If not for Pippen, Paxson couldn't have cracked the line-up.

Just incase you doubt me, and you think you know more than Phil Jackson, ask yourself: how come Chicago with Jordan was the only team at that time NOT to have a point guard? Think about it. When Jordan retired, B.J. Armstrong played a classic point guard role and made his only all-star appearance. When Jordan came back from retirement, the Bulls let Armstrong go in the expansion draft and replaced him with Ron Harper, another 2-guard. Who else teamed up with Jordan in the back court? Craig Hodges, Steve Kerr, Randy Brown, and Jud Buechler. None of these guys could be confused with a point guard.

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Steve Kerr – See John Paxson. This is the exact same case, as Kerr was a Paxson-clone. In 1993, the year before Jordan retired, Kerr was the 12th man on draft lottery-bound Orlando. The next year, he joined the Jordan-less Bulls and had his finest season ever. How could he do this if Jordan made him better?
Furthermore, Kerr had established himself as one the top 3 point shooter in history and set a record for best 3 point shooting percentage (from 23'9") in a season (1989-90). Considering this, and how he filled in for Mark Price when Price was injured in Cleveland, I ask: what did Jordan do differently for his career? Kerr's game was exactly the same before he joined Chicago. When he joined Chicago, he had his best year, while Jordan was playing baseball,
"Like Paxson, Kerr blossomed because of Pippen's ability to play the point, allowing the Bulls to play 2 non-point guards. That is why Kerr had his finest seasons in Chicago when Jordan was playing baseball."

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Washington Wizards – Then, there are the Wizards... if Jordan made those around him better, why couldn't he do this with Larry Hughes, Jerry Stackhouse, and ESPECIALLY Kwame Brown? You should know the answer by now.

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Games with 12+ rebounds
Jordon: 12
Kobe Bryant: 20
Games with 10+ rebounds
Jordon: 51
Kobe Bryant: 70
Games with 15+ assists
Air Jordn: 0
Kobe Bryant: 1
Games with 12+ assists
Air Jordan: 6
Kobe Bryant: 12
Games with 10+ assists
Jordon: 44
Kobe Bean Bryant: 52
Games with 8+ assists
Jordon: 107
Kobe Bryant: 114
Games with 5+ assists
Jordon: 287
Kobe Bryant: 353
Games with less than 3 assists
jordn: 100
Kobe Bryant: 138
Games with less than 2 assists
Jordan: 51
Kobe Bryant: 45
(Reg season)Games with NO assists
Jordon:27
Kobe Bean Bryant: 17

Games with 7+ steals
Jordon: 4
Kobe: 1
Games with 6+ steals
Jordonr: 7
KOBE: 6
Games with 5+ steals
jordon: 10
KOBE: 26
Games with 4+ steals
Jordon: 35
Kobe: 63
Games with 3+ steals
Jordon: 160
Kobe: 165
Games with multiple blocks
Jordon: 90
KOBE: 102
Games with 3+ blocks
Jordon: 15
KOBE: 22
Games with 4+ blocks
Jordon: 1
KOBE: 4

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Games with 4+ blocks
Jordon: 1
KOBE: 4
Games with less than 4 turnovers
Jordon: 275
KOBE 489
Games with less than 3 turnovers
Jordon 245
Bean: 333
Games with less than 2 turnovers
Jordon: 75
KOBE 177
Games with NO turnovers
Jordon: 10
KOBE 45
Games with 5+ turnovers
Jordon: 162 (2 out of every 16 games)
KOBE 147 (1 out of every 16 games)
Games with more turnovers than assists
Jordon 244 (13 out of every 100 games)
KOBE 174 (22 out of every 100 games)
Foul Outs
Air: 7
Bean: 16
Percentage of points scored on free throws
Michael Jordan: 22.7%
Kobe Bryant: 25.9%
Percentage of points scored on two point field goals
Michael Jordan: 72%
Kobe Bryant: 59%
Three point shot attempts per game
Air Jordan: 1.66
Kobe Bryant: 3.54

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Let me point this out: Jordan joined a losing team in 1984. His first year, they remained a losing team. The next year, they were a losing team. The third year, they posted their 3rd consecutive losing season. During Jordan's first three years, he was not able to make the Bulls into a contender. He couldn't even get them above .500. This man has a legendary "will to win", but can't win? Then, the Bulls add Horace Grant and Scottie Pippen, the next year, and the Bulls put up a winning record and advance another round of the playoffs. The Bulls keep adding players and they keep winning more and more until they win 3 titles. Jordan retires, and the Bulls only slip 2 games. He comes back the next year, and they do WORSE in the playoffs than they did the year before him. After the Bulls add Rodman and win 3 more titles, they disband the team.

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Two years later, Jordan joins a losing Wizards team. Under Jordan, they remain a losing team both years and fail to make the playoffs each year. He retires again, and the Wizards continue losing the next year.

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Do you see the trend? Jordan joins teams and they don't turn into contenders. They don't even get above .500, even during his second year there. When he leaves, they stay the same. If they are a good team, they continue winning games and if they are a losing team with Jordan, they continue losing games. Jordan doesn't "will" teams to a new level. His impact to the win column is minimal. How, then, can he be the most valuable player ever? I pointed out that over and over in his career that his teams don't go to a new level because of him. If you can't see this, then you are simply ignoring facts.

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There can only be one conclusion from all of this: If he is not the most valuable player ever, then Michael Jordan is NOT !!!the greatest basketball player ever.!!!!!!!!

Let's look at those 3 myths again:

Jordan carried the team to 6 championships - As I showed, the Bulls did not suffer greatly when he retired. When he returned, they didn't even make the conference finals, until they replaced their power forward. Compared to Jordan's peers (the short list of the elite players in NBA history), Jordan was the least valuable to his team out of all of them. His impact was felt the least.

Jordan made those around him better - I proved this collectively by showing that the players who played with him shot better without him.

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Jordan was the most valuable player ever - He simply did not affect the W-L column, or the playoff performance as greatly as the other players that I showed above. This is indisputable. Yes, Jordan has 6 championships, because he played on a very good team...a team that was good enough to win 55 games and go deep into the playoffs without him. I list 7 players (Jordan included), as the "elite" players. Out of these 7 players, guess which player has the most losing seasons in his career? Jordan. Guess which team didn't felt the least loss when he sat out for a season? Jordan's.

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Assumption 1: The Bulls would be a much worse team without Jordan. They would probably slip at least 15 games.
The first assumption was declared by nearly everybody. Even Bulls coach Phil Jackson predicted a 15-game slip in his autobiography, Sacred Hoops. He based this upon the retirement of superstars from the past. Replacing Jordan with Myers should have been detrimental. However, the Bulls only slipped 2 games: from 57-25 with Jordan in 1993 to 55-27 in 1994. How could this be? They should have fallen apart. The answer is that Jordan simply wasn't as instrumental in taking the Bulls to another level as thought. I'm not saying they could win a title without him. He did make them marginally better, but not significantly better.

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Look at Jordan's elite peers: if you replace Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or Bill Russell with a C.B.A. center, do you expect a 2-game drop? No way. If you replace Larry Bird, Oscar Robertson, or Magic Johnson with a C.B.A. player, do you expect a 2-game drop? Think again.

Why did Phil Jackson predict a 15-game drop? Because he knew the impact that elite players had on their teams. Look at the table below and ask yourself why Jordan's impact was so minimal?

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Year before losing player Year after losing player
Team Player Regular season Playoffs Regular Season Difference
(# of wins) Playoffs
1969 Celtics Bill Russell 48-34 Championship 34-48 -14 Missed playoffs
1973 Lakers Wilt
Chamberlain 60-22 NBA Finals 47-35 -13 Lost in first round
1-4
1974 Bucks Oscar
Robertson 59-23 NBA Finals 38-44 -21 Missed playoffs
1988 Celtics Larry Bird 57-25 Conference
Finals 42-40 -15 Lost in first round
0-3
1991 Lakers Magic
Johnson 58-24 NBA Finals 43-39 -15 Lost in first round
1-3

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To make matters worse, the Bulls lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs to the Knicks in 7 games. In Game 5, Scottie Pippen received one of the most unfavorable calls in playoff history by referee Hue Hollins when he was called for a foul on Knicks' rookie Hubert Davis, that allowed Davis to go to the line and win the game. If you are a real Bulls fan, you'll remember the call. I was cheering for the Knicks in that series, and even I admitted the Bulls got hosed. The Bulls should have won that series. I believe that would have defeated Indiana in the finals. They owned them in the regular season and the Knicks handled the Pacers. I don't think they had any chance of beating the Rockets in the finals without Jordan, but I do believe they could have got there without Jordan. It's all speculating, but it's not unreasonable speculation.

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Assumption 2: If Jordan would come back, the Bulls would automatically win the title.
This assumption were declared by those in 1995 who said, "the Bulls didn't win the title in 1994, did they?" While Jordan fans claim that he and he alone was single-handedly responsible for the title, they conveniently neglect 1995. Jordan did come back that season. However, the Bulls didn't have Horace Grant (and Dennis Rodman would not join until the next season). Without Grant, their rebounding and interior defense deficiencies were exposed by the Orlando Magic (Horace Grant's team, ironically), and the Bulls lost in the second round 2-4. As you can see in the table above, the previous year, without Jordan, they lost 3-4 in the 2nd round. Now if Jordan were single-handedly responsible for those titles, why did they do even worse in the playoffs after he returned than they did the year before, when they didn't have him?

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How was Orlando able to defeat the Bulls with Jordan in 1995? The answer lies with Horace Grant. He was the key to Johnny Bach's (Bulls assistant coach) "Doberman Defense", as it was called. The trapping defense the Bulls rode to three titles. Grant could trap a player and he was quick enough to fall back and get the rebound. When Jordan retired, the Bulls continued playing their defense and Myers filled in Jordan's role. In 1995, Grant left for Orlando and Chicago was left without a strong interior defender and rebounder. The trapping defense also gone. Bach moved onto Charlotte and the Bulls didn't have a power forward that could make it work. Dickey Simpkins and Corie Blount were not acceptable alternatives. They soft underbelly was exposed, and as anybody knows, you can't win without defense and rebounding.

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Phil Jackson was so desperate that he even tried Toni Kukoc there, hoping to stretch the defense with Kukoc's shooting, and increase ball movement on offense, but it wasn't enough to overcome their defense and rebounding woes. Jordan did not fill this weakness, and Shaquille O'Neal and Horace Grant were able to expose Chicago and defeat them in the playoffs, and disprove Jordan's "mythical ability to elevate his team to championships

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Jordan fanatics claim he had court rust. Whatever. Jordan played 17 games that season. In 1986, Jordan played 18 games, coming off of a foot surgery. In the 1986 playoffs Jordan scored a playoff-record 63 points. Why was Jordan able to shake the court rust in 1986 and not in 1995? Answer: he shook his court rust. He dropped in the "double-nickel" (55 point game) on the defending eastern champs that season. If Jordan had court rust, he wouldn't be putting in 55 on John Starks. His game wasn't up to 100%, but it wasn't so far off as to make a difference in a championship and a defeat in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

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Furthermore, Jordan fanatics claim the next year, he shook his supposed court rust and led the Bulls to 72 wins. These people are basketball illiterate. If this were true, why weren't the Bulls winning 72 games in 1991, 92, and 93? Jordan didn't have any court rust then. The reason the Bulls improved was because they filled their weakness with the best player in the NBA FOR that weakness: Dennis Rodman. They lacked rebounding from the power forward spot, so they brought on the greatest rebounding forward in history. They lacked interior defense, so they brought in a 2-time defensive player of the year in Rodman. He was the perfect fit. Grant was a very good player, and he and Jordan's 1992 Bulls won 67 games. But Rodman is better than Grant. Connect the dots.

48 minutes ago
The reason that team improved so much was because of Rodman. Without Grant or Rodman, Jordan simply could not win a championship, because Jordan could not provide interior defense and rebounding. After all, the team really didn't miss him that badly when he retired.

47 minutes ago
I have asked Jordan fans to explain over and over why the Bulls only slipped 2 games when they replaced Jordan with Pete Myers. To this day, not a SINGLE ONE, has been able to offer an explanation. The answer is obvious, they just don't want to admit it. Jordan was a great individual player, but he was not as valuable of a TEAM player as those peers of his in the elite category of basketball players.

46 minutes ago
Assumption 3: Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant would probably score more points, but they would shoot much worse, as defenses focused on them.
The third assumption was that Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant would probably score more points, but they would shoot much worse, as defenses focused on them. This appears to be a logical assumption. However, the logic is clearly seen when the hype is peeled away.

42 minutes ago
With MJ ..Scottie 18ppg...on 47%
Without Mj............23ppg ....52%

Grant with MJ.. ....13ppg on 52%
without MJ.............16ppg on 62%

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Assumption 4: The Bulls would shoot much worse without Jordan.
The fourth assumption is that the Bulls would shoot much worse without Jordan than with him. That is because conventional wisdom says that a player of Jordan’s ability requires extra defensive attention, and that creates open shots for teammates.

In addition to this, the shooting percentage of the league has declined every year since 1989, so it is only logical to assume that even with Jordan, the shooting percentage of the team would decline, and without him it would greatly decline, correct? Not surprisingly, the Bulls' opponents shot worse (fg% and PPG) in 1994 (no Jordan) than in 1993 (with Jordan). I doubt that Pete Myers was a better defender than Jordan, so this fact only further proves the trend that I just mentioned - teams shot worse each season.

40 minutes ago
Well, the Bulls, as an entire team, DID shoot worse. That is because Jordan’s field goal percentage was taken out, and his position was replaced by CBA journeyman Pete Myers, who was known for defense (in other words, a terrible shooter). Furthermore, Toni Kukoc was a poor shooting rookie in 1994 (.431 from the floor and .271 from 3-point range).

When you factor this out, you find that there were nine players who played with Jordan in 1993 and without him 1994, you see that they actually shot BETTER without Jordan (48.6%) than they did with him (48.2%). As I showed previously, this was also true of the top 2 scorers (Pippen and Grant). In contrast, the 1992 Lakers and the 1989 Celtics saw nearly everyone on the team fall in fg% and ppg, due to the absence of Magic Johnson and Larry Bird, respectively.

39 minutes ago
This difference may not seem like much, but remember, Jordan is SUPPOSED to make life easier for teammates, not harder. And the trend in the league was decreased fg% every year. How could this be?

39 minutes ago
The short answer is that players like Jordan (ballhogs) do not make those around them better. Jordan has always been more interested in scoring his points than in helping his team - he practically said so himself.

38 minutes ago
Olympic Gold Medals
Michael Jordan: 2..He was the worst player on the dream team!!..He shot a team low 42%....led the team in turnovers...
and got dunked on by Toni Kukoc..lmao......but he did lead them in shot attempts..somethings never change!
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All-Star selections
Jordon: 7
Kobe Bryant: 11
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All-Star Game Most Valuable Player awards
Jordon: 1
Kobe Bryant: 2

OFcorse Jordan has the most scoring titles in NBA history. HE shot the ball more!..then anyone in the History of the NBA!!!

Dunk champion .......
Jordon 1
Kobe 1........Jordan..vs Wilkins..Hmmmm..something aint right!...................Here is a shining example of Jordan using hype to achieve a goal that his abilities alone could not.

37 minutes ago
It only illustrates how people go out of their way to make him better than he was.

The 1988 dunk contest featured a classic duel between Michael Jordan (1985 winner) and Dominique Wilkins (1987 winner) in Chicago. On the last dunk, Jordan tried the free throw line dunk, but he stepped in front of the line. He received a "50" for this. Two years later, Scottie Pippen jumped from behind the free throw line and received a "46" for the same dunk. Surprised? You shouldn't be. What was the difference? Jordan is quite often given more credit than he deserves. You can say that I'm full of sour grapes, but consider the following analysis from fellow participant and 1986 winner, Anthony "Spud" Webb:

36 minutes ago
...the finals came down to Jordan and 'Nique. Who won? Dominique won it by a mile. Who got the trophy? Michael Jordan, because the hometown judges were not about to give it to anybody else. 'Nique walked off the floor shaking his head, saying, 'Well this is Michael's town and his show. What are you gonna

34 minutes ago
This style of hype is often used with Jordan. He is called the "best ever" by people who refuse to define their criteria, because Jordan will come up short. His awards are often called out, but when they are put into perspective, it is easy to see that it is simple hype, because using a common comparison will make Jordan come up short.

Recently, ESPN named their 50 greatest athletes of North America. Guess who was #1? Jordan the greatest athlete? He was a one sport athlete, and as this site proves, he wasn't even the best at that. He was a terrible baseball player, and an amateur-caliber golfer. Best ever? They refused to define their criteria. Why? Because many athletes were better than Jordan.

34 minutes ago
This style of hype is often used with Jordan. He is called the "best ever" by people who refuse to define their criteria, because Jordan will come up short. His awards are often called out, but when they are put into perspective, it is easy to see that it is simple hype, because using a common comparison will make Jordan come up short.

Recently, ESPN named their 50 greatest athletes of North America. Guess who was #1? Jordan the greatest athlete? He was a one sport athlete, and as this site proves, he wasn't even the best at that. He was a terrible baseball player, and an amateur-caliber golfer. Best ever? They refused to define their criteria. Why? Because many athletes were better than Jordan.

31 minutes ago
Game winning shots in the playoffs
Kobe: 11
Jordan: 4

Kobe has played in over 140 Playoff games....and has led his team to the greatest post season ever!....15 - 1!

Jordon 30 playoff games.....14 - 30losses...sad!

career highlights
3-time NBA Champion: 2000, 2001, 2002
11-time NBA All-Star: 1997, 1998,1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007
Has started in each of his appearances
11 consecutive appearances (No All-Star game in 1999 due to league-wide lock-out)

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2-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 2002, 2007
NBA Scoring Champion: 2006 (35.4, 9th highest in NBA history)
8-time All-NBA Selection:
First Team: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006
Second Team: 2000, 2001
Third Team: 1999, 2005
6-time All-Defensive Selection:
First Team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2006
Second Team: 2001, 2002
NBA All-Rookie Second Team: 1997
NBA All-Star Slam Dunk Champion: 1997
NBA regular season leader in:
points: 2003 (2,461), 2006 (2,832, 7th highest in NBA history)
field goals attempted: 2006 (2,173)
field goals made: 2003 (868), 2006 (978)
free throws made: 2006 (696)
2nd highest single-game point total in NBA history: 81, set on January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors. (The record is 100

24 minutes ago
NBA milestones
Youngest player in NBA history to reach:
10,000 points (24 years, 193 days), set March 5, 2003 vs. the Indiana Pacers.
14,000 points (26 years, 240 days), set April 20, 2005 vs. the Portland Trail Blazers.
15,000 points (27 years, 136 days), set January 6, 2006 vs. the Philadelphia 76ers.
16,000 points (27 years, 192 days), set March 3, 2006 vs. the Golden State Warriors.
17,000 points (28 years, 86 days), set November 17, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors.
18,000 points (28 years, 156 days), set January 26, 2007 vs. the Charlotte Bobcats.[16]
Youngest player to start an NBA game (18 years, 158 days), making his first start for the Los Angeles Lakers on January 28, 1997.

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Youngest player to start an NBA game (18 years, 158 days), making his first start for the Los Angeles Lakers on January 28, 1997.
Youngest player to start an NBA All-Star Game (19 years, 175 days), making his debut at the 48th annual All-Star Game at Madison Square Garden on February 8, 1998.
Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Defensive Team (1999-2000) [17]

I almost forgot.........65pts then 50pts then 60 then 50 only him and Wilt could do that....!





2 easy....and Kobe only played half of his career!..be afraid MJ lovers ..be very afraid!..to easy!...now get back in my pocket!

AROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Answer 2

He really left a bad image in 2003-2004. I think he has come a long way, but once people have already formed an impression of him in their minds, it'll be hard to erase unless he does something drastic such as breaking his back to rescue 10 preschoolers from a burning building. Kobe did some irreversible damage to his reputation, but he's done a pretty good job reforming himself. I live in Phoenix and I do not hate Kobe, Bruce Bowen, or Robert Horry

His trial has always been a very controversial debate. It REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY annoys me when people think he's innocent because he's a good athlete, or that he's guilty because he's cocky. Personally, I think he's guilty of adultery, and will one day have to answer to God for it, but the crime of rape will not be on his conscience. I followed the case very carefully (I would like to be a lawyer one day) on CNN for a year, and there is truly compelling evidence that a rape never occurred.

Yes, the Colorado scandal is a controversial issue. Not everyone may agree with what I think, and that's ok. But I really don't like it when people act like they were in that room the night it happened, or say that he is innocent/guilty without researching the case.

Sometimes he does hog the ball. Sometimes he has to because his teammates fumble perfect passes, and other nights, he hogs the ball b/c he feels like it. 5.5 assists per game is not bad, but he does shoot 26 times per game, more than any other player. Kwame Brown fumbles about 1 perfect pass each game. If that didn't happen, Kobe would have 6.5.

6.5 assists IS passing.

Personally, I think there should be a FGA-Assists ratio. It would solve once and for all who is the biggest ballhog in the league. But even if someone shoots 90 times a game, I believe that it is still wrong to hate players.

Answer 3

U seriously just called us HATERS! Every question u post is about u kissin MJ's *** and saying how kobe sucks. Wade sure as hell isnt the best player in the league. Without Shaq this year the Heat were barely in the playoff hunt. They were 5 games under .500. When Wade gets Injured and shaq comes back they are somehow only .5 back with the Wizards for the Southeast division.

Answer 4

i agree with you 100% even though people say he was a rapist that is off the court! how does raping some one (witch he wasnt convicted of the charged got dropped) and u say he is a ball hog he averages 6 assists a game that is better than half the player in the league. even better consitering there is no one on the lakers 2 pass to. GOOO KOBE!!!!

Answer 5

Kobe sucks because he is an as*hole (see Barry Bonds). Maybe even a rapist! To call Kobe selfish would be an insult to selfish people! He has remarkable talent, but it takes much more than that to be great.

Answer 6

yeah but mj and magic didnt ball hog!!! they knew the meaning of team and fundamental basketball skills... one man cant win games but teams win championships why u think shaq left dont get me wrong he is a good player but theres a word called teamwork not kobework

Answer 7

Haters.

Answer 8

He's a ball-hogger, no team play. He wants to win so bad, he forgets ,that there are others on his team.

Answer 9

Games with 15+ assists
Air Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 1
Games with 12+ assists
Air Jordan: 26
Kobe Bryant: 12
Games with 10+ assists
Air Jordan: 76
Kobe Bean Bryant: 52
Games with 8+ assists
Air Jordan: 207
Kobe Bean Bryant: 114
Games with 5+ assists
Air Jordan: 587
Kobe Bean Bryant: 353
Games with less than 3 assists
Air Jordan: 150
Kobe Bean Bryant: 188
Games with less than 2 assists
Air Jordan: 51
Kobe Bean Bryant: 105
Games with NO assists
Air Jordan: 7
Kobe Bean Bryant: 47
Games with 15+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 8
Kobe Bean Bryant: 2
Games with 12+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 61
Kobe Bean Bryant: 20
Games with 10+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 151
Kobe Bean Bryant: 70
GOT DEFENSE?
Games with 8+ steals
Air: 12
Bean: 0
Games with 7+ steals
Air: 18
Bean: 1
Games with 6+ steals
Air: 47
Bean: 6
Games with 5+ steals
Air: 110
Bean: 26
Games with 4+ steals
Air: 235
Bean: 63
Games with 3+ steals
Air: 460
Bean: 165
Of the 143 50 point games since 1986, in terms of shooting percentage:
Michael Jordan's games include #1, #5, #8, #17, #21, #22, etc.
Kobe Bryant's games include
10 of the 30 worst
7 of the 15 worst
The 3 worst
#118, #120, #122, #129, #131, #132, #133, #141, #142, #143
In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.
Of every game played since 1986:
Michael Jordan has 13 of top 25 game scores: #1, #4, #6, #6 (ties himself), #11, #16, #16, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #25
Kobe Bryant has 3 of the top 25 game scores.
What is Game Score? Game Score is a simple formula that evaluates a player’s individual game performance. All statistics in the box score are summed up, with different weights for different stats, to show how impressive a player’s all-around contribution is.
Kobe Bryant also has:
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 10+ points. (5-21 shooting)
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 30+ points. (11-29)
Worst and 4th worst known game scores for a player scoring 40+ points. (17-47, 12-30)
Games with 15+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 8
Kobe Bean Bryant: 2
Games with 12+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 61
Kobe Bean Bryant: 20
Games with 10+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 151
Kobe Bean Bryant: 70
Games with 15+ assists
Air Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 1
Games with 12+ assists
Air Jordan: 26
Kobe Bryant: 12
Games with 10+ assists
Air Jordan: 76
Kobe Bean Bryant: 52
Games with 8+ assists
Air Jordan: 207
Kobe Bean Bryant: 114
Games with 5+ assists
Air Jordan: 587
Kobe Bean Bryant: 353
Games with less than 3 assists
Air Jordan: 150
Kobe Bean Bryant: 188
Games with less than 2 assists
Air Jordan: 51
Kobe Bean Bryant: 105
Games with NO assists
Air Jordan: 7
Kobe Bean Bryant: 47
Games with 8+ steals
Air: 12
Bean: 0
Games with 7+ steals
Air: 18
Bean: 1
Games with 6+ steals
Air: 47
Bean: 6
Games with 5+ steals
Air: 110
Bean: 26
Games with 4+ steals
Air: 235
Bean: 63
Games with 3+ steals
Air: 460
Bean: 165
Games with multiple blocks
Air: 220
Bean: 102
Games with 3+ blocks
Air: 70
Bean: 22
Games with 4+ blocks
Air: 25
Bean: 4
Games with less than 4 turnovers
Air: 775
Bean: 489
Games with less than 3 turnovers
Air: 545
Bean: 333
Games with less than 2 turnovers
Air: 275
Bean: 177
Games with NO turnovers
Air: 90
Bean: 45
Games with 5+ turnovers
Air: 132 (2 out of every 16 games)
Bean: 147 (3 out of every 16 games)
Games with more turnovers than assists
Air: 144 (13 out of every 100 games)
Bean: 174 (22 out of every 100 games)
Foul Outs
Air: 7
Bean: 16
Percentage of points scored on free throws
Michael Jordan: 22.7%
Kobe Bryant: 25.9%
Percentage of points scored on two point field goals
Michael Jordan: 72%
Kobe Bryant: 59%
Three point shot attempts per game
Air Jordan: 1.66
Kobe Bryant: 3.54 (more) (less)
All-Rookie First Team
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No
Kobe Bryant was voted to the All-Star team his rookie year for some reason, even though he didn’t make the All-Rookie First Team…
Olympic Gold Medals
Michael Jordan: 2
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan is one of three players to win an Olympic gold as both an amateur (1984) and professional (1992). The other players are Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin, who did it with him.
All-Star selections
Michael Jordan: 14
Kobe Bryant: 9
Michael Jordan was an All-Star every year he was eligible, including his injury plagued 1986 season. He is #2 all time in NBA All-Star selections behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
All-Star Game Most Valuable Player awards
Michael Jordan: 3
Kobe Bryant: 2
Jordan’s 40 points in 1988 is still the second most points in an All-Star Game behind Wilt Chamberlain’s 42. Jordan also recorded the only All-Star Game triple double in NBA history in 1997, but did not receive MVP.
Scoring titles
Michael Jordan: 10
Kobe Bryant: 2
Of course Jordan has the most scoring titles in NBA history. He also led the league in total points his rookie season, but was third in scoring average. He is the only player besides Wilt Chamberlain to score 3,000 points in a season.
Steals titles
Michael Jordan: 3
Kobe Bryant: 0
Jordan was the first player in NBA history to lead the league in both scoring and steals. He achieved this feat three times. The only other player to do it is Allen Iverson.
Jordan was the first player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season. He performed this feat in back-to-back seasons, making him the only player to perform it multiple times. Hakeem Olajuwon and Scottie Pippen later achieved 200 steals and 100 blocks in one season.
Michael Jordan was named the 1991 Sportsman of the Year by Sports Illustrated.
Jordan is the fourth player in NBA history to win a scoring title and an NBA championship in the same season, which he did all six times.
In 1996, Jordan became the second player in NBA history to sweep the MVP awards (regular season, NBA Finals, All-Star Game) after Willis Reed. He would sweep them again in 1998, making him the only player to do it multiple times.
Michael Jordan led the Chicago Bulls to the best regular season and combined regular season and postseason records in NBA history.
Michael Jordan scored in double digits in all but one game as a Chicago Bull out of 1,109 total games.
College awards at North Carolina
1984 ACC Men’s Basketball Player of the Year
1984 USBWA College Player of the Year
1984 Naismith College Player of the Year
1984 John R. Wooden Award
1984 Adolph Rupp Trophy
1982 ACC Freshman of the Year
1982 national championship
Game-winning defensive play and shot in the 1982 national championship game against Georgetown
“The Clutch Factor”
Stop saying Kobe Bryant is one of the most clutch players ever.
Please watch film of Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Robert Horry, and how about… Michael Jordan?
These are approximations because it is difficult to define “clutch”. Here we have defined it as shots within the last 24 seconds of a game within 2 points.
Game winning shots
Michael Jordan: 33 out of 58 attempts (56.9%)
Kobe Bryant: 7 out of 32 attempts (21.9%)
Michael Jordan has the most known game winning shots of any player in NBA history. He has by far the highest conversion rate in the clutch.
Michael Jordan led countless 4th quarter comebacks in which he singlehandedly won the game throughout his career.
Among Kobe’s 32 clutch opportunities, he has yet to pass the ball to another player. He has by far the most end of game situations with no assists of any player in NBA history. He has one of the lowest conversion rates in the clutch.
Game winning shots in the playoffs
Kobe: 5
Jordan: Approximately 15
Kobe Bryant is not among the top 100 players all time in assists per game.
Michael Jordan is. He’s #76 in assists per game and #34 in assists.
Michael Jordan is #3 all time in rebounding by a guard (behind Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson).
Kobe Bryant is not among the top 50 players all time in steals per game.
Michael Jordan is. He’s #4 in steals per game and #2 in steals.
Michael Jordan is #1 all time in blocks by a guard.
Kobe Bryant is not among the top 10 players all time in points per game.
Michael Jordan is #1 all time in points per game and #3 in points.
Record in games with 30+ shot attempts
Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 31-39 (.443)
Record as team leader
Michael Air Jordan: 640-290 (.688)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 121-125 (.492)
Record, all team games
Michael Air Jordan: 706-366 (.659)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 556-314 (.639)
Postseason as team leader
Air: Missed postseason 0 times in 13 seasons
Bean: Missed postseason 1 time in 3 seasons
How do their teams fare without them?
Team record in games missed
Michael Jordan: 19-49 (.279)
86: 18-43
89: 0-1
92: 0-2
93: 1-3
Even the world champion Bulls suffered 1-5 without their undisputed leader.
Kobe Bryant: 53-33 (.616)
97: 8-3
98: 3-0
00: 12-4
01: 11-3
02: 2-0
The championship Lakers teams seemed barely affected by the absence of Kobe.
Also of note: Kobe Bryant tore a championship team apart. Michael Jordan pieced a championship team together.
ACTUAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS
NBA championships
Michael Jordan: 6 in 6 NBA Finals
Kobe Bryant: 3 in 4 NBA Finals
NBA Finals Most Valuable Player awards
Michael Jordan: 6
Kobe Bryant: 0
No one is close to Michael Jordan in NBA Finals MVPs.
Regular season Most Valuable Player awards
Michael Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan was so dominant and valuable to his team that he LOST MVP awards because of it. The league voters were tired of awarding it to the same player, and gave it to Magic Johnson in 1989 and 1990 instead because he had only received MVP once. Jordan is #1 all time in MVP voting, and has 14 combined MVP awards (regular season, NBA Finals, All-Star), the most all time.
All-NBA First Team selections
Michael Jordan: 10
Kobe Bryant: 5
Michael Jordan is tied for #2 all time in All-NBA First Teams behind Karl Malone with 11.
All-Defensive First Team selections
Michael Jordan: 9
Kobe Bryant: 5
Michael Jordan has made more All-Defensive First Teams than any other player in NBA history. This last All-Defensive First Team honor for Kobe was complete bulls***, but whatever.
Defensive Player of the Year awards
Michael Jordan: 1
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael averaged 35 points per game when he won DPoY. The next closest scorer to win it had 27 ppg. Guards rarely receive Defensive Player of the Year.
Rookie of the Year
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No
In his rookie year, Michael Jordan led his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals. He is the only player in NBA history to lead his team in four (of the 5) categories, and obviously the only rookie to do it. Julius Erving did it in the ABA, but never in the NBA. Jordan was 4 blocks away from repeating this feat in 1989.
Michael Jordan led his team in three stats 5 different times, including leading the team in blocks several times. Kobe Bryant has led his team in three categories once in his career.
Career Player Efficiency Rating
Michael Jordan: 27.91
Kobe Bryant: 23.49
What is Player Efficiency Rating? PER is a formula that uses a player’s stats to determine how productive and efficient he is in his time on the court. If you shoot the ball a lot, but don’t shoot as well, your rating goes down. If you turn the ball over a lot, your rating goes down. If you are efficient and contribute an all-around game, your rating goes up. Due to factors like shooting percentage, it’s almost impossible for a guard to have a very high career rating, like above 25 (Jordan is the only one).
Highest PER Season
Michael Jordan: 31.71
Kobe Bryant: 27.97
40 point games
MJ: 173
Kobe: 85
30 point games
MJ: 561
Kobe: 245
20 point games
MJ: 926
Kobe: 520
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 466 (43% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 489 (62% of games)
Games with under 48% shooting
Michael Jordan: 437 (41% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 470 (60% of games)
Games with under 46% shooting
Michael Jordan: 360 (33% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 417 (53% of games)
Games with under 44% shooting
Michael Jordan: 288 (1 out of every 4 games)
Kobe Bryant: 353 (1 out of every 2 games)
Games with under 42% shooting
Michael Jordan: 228 (1 out of every 5 games)
Kobe Bryant: 307 (2 out of every 5 games)
Games with under 40% shooting
Michael Jordan: 154 (1 out of every 7 games)
Kobe Bryant: 246 (1 out of every 3 games)
Games with under 35% shooting
Michael Jordan: 85 (8 out of every 100 games)
Kobe Bryant: 156 (20 out of every 100 games)
Games with under 30% shooting
Michael Jordan: 39 (1 out of every 28 games)
Kobe Bryant: 81 (1 out of every 10 games)
Games with 70% or better shooting
Michael “Air” Jordan: 23 (1 out of every 45 games)
Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 5 (1 out of every 160 games)
Games with 60% or better shooting
Michael “Air” Jordan: 160 (1 out of every 7 games)
Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 53 (1 out of every 15 games)
Games with 50% or better shooting
Michael “Air” Jordan: 504 (1 out of every 2 games)
Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 203 (1 out of every 4 games)
Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 15
Kobe: 3
Games with 15 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 77
Kobe: 17
Games with 15 shots made on 50% or better shooting
MJ: 174
Kobe: 45
Games with 50 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
MJ: 3
Kobe: 0
Games with 40 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
MJ: 27
Kobe: 15
40 point games with less than 5 three point attempts
MJ: 156 (9 out of 10 40 pt games)
Kobe: 26 (3 out of 10 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 50% shooting
MJ: 27 (16% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 40 (47% of his 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 45% shooting
MJ: 13 (8% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 18 (21% of his 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 40% shooting
MJ: 2 (1% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 7 (8% of his 40 pt games)
Yes, that's right, almost half of Kobe's 40 point games involved missing more shots than made ones.
50 point games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 1 of his 31 games (15-31, 48%)
Kobe Bryant: 6 of his 21 games
50 point games with under 45% shooting
Michael Jordan: 0
Kobe Bryant: 3
NBA Playoffs
50 point games
KB: 1
MJ: 8
40 point games
KB: 4
MJ: 38
30 point games
KB: 33
MJ: 109
20 point games
KB: 86
MJ: 173
Assist to turnover ratio
Jordan: 1.93
Kobe: 1.56
Assists per game
Jordan: 5.3
Kobe: 4.5
In order to match Jordan's assists numbers by the time he has played as long as Jordan, he needs to average 7.2 apg. It'd be nice to see if Kobe could ever average this in a week.
These idiots don't know that Jordan played during the slowest paced era in history and still put up 30.
Percentage of team's points scored in the NBA Finals
2000: 14.5% (not even including the game he missed) (W)
2001: 24.4% (W)
2002: 25.2% (W)
2004: 27.6% (L)
Michael Jordan
1991: 30.8% (W)
1992: 34.6% (W)
1993: 38.3% (W)
1996: 29.4% (W)
1997: 36.8% (W)
1998: 38.1% (W)
That stat will destroy any argument. Jordan=legend. Kobe=not legend. Honestly, that should shut up every stupid motherf****r who's ever opened his/her mouth.
Kobe could make 1500 shots in a row, and he'd barely pass Jordan in FG%.
Now let's assume that Kobe takes 2000 shots per season like the ballhog he has been shown to be.
At that rate he'd need to convert on 56.3% of his shot attempts for the next five years. We know this is impossible already, especially for a guard. Even MJ couldn't do it for a season!
Or perhaps Kobe plays for ten more years, averaging 1500 shots per season. He'd need to shoot over 54% to match Jordan, and once again, Jordan barely did this himself for one season.
If Kobe played until he was 50, another 21 years and every game of every season starting now, he would still have to average 32.6 ppg just to near Jordan's career ppg. HAHA!
sfhguibnbhq | May 18, 2007
If Kobe played another ten years (which he won't), and averaged 80 games each season (800 games total), he would have to average over 35.5 points per game to match Jordan's career scoring average. Kobe won't even have a season on that level.
If Kobe played another 8 years for 640 more games, 36.9 ppg.
If Kobe played another 5 years for 400 more games, 41 ppg.
If Kobe wanted to match Jordan's average by the time he has been playing as long as Jordan did, 45.1 ppg... yeah right.
And now perhaps the most telling stat I could give (and also the hardest one to compile and research). This is the ultimate. This is one of the things to look at when judging great players. The negative impact of his absence.
TEAM RECORD IN GAMES MISSED
Jordan: 22-49 (.310)
86: 22-43
89: 0-1
92: 0-2
93: 1-3
Even a championship caliber team suffered without its undisputed leader.
Bryant: 53-33 (.616)
97: 8-3
98: 3-0
00: 12-4
01: 11-3
02: 2-0
The championship Lakers teams seemed barely affected without Kobe.
Dedication to the game?
82-game seasons
Jordan: 9
Bryant: 1
80+ game seasons
Jordan: 11
Bryant: 3
Sidenote: Jordan played in every game for which he was eligible in his career. He missed 64 games to injury in 1986, a couple of games for other injuries, and 5 for suspensions for fighting and such.
A quick glance at Michael Jordan season by season
1985: 28.2 pts, 6.5 reb, 5.9 ast, 2.39 stl, 51.5% fg, 25.8 PER
1987: 37.1 pts, 5.2 reb, 4.6 ast, 2.88 stl, 48.2% fg, 29.8 PER
1988: 35.0 pts, 5.5 reb, 5.9 ast, 3.16 stl, 53.5% fg, 31.7 PER
1989: 32.5 pts, 8.0 reb, 8.0 ast, 2.89 stl, 53.8% fg, 31.1 PER
1990: 33.6 pts, 6.9 reb, 6.3 ast, 2.77 stl, 52.7% fg, 31.2 PER
1991: 31.5 pts, 6.0 reb, 5.5 ast, 2.72 stl, 53.9% fg, 31.6 PER
1992: 30.1 pts, 6.4 reb, 6.1 ast, 2.28 stl, 51.9% fg, 27.7 PER
1993: 32.6 pts, 6.7 reb, 5.5 ast, 2.83 stl, 49.5% fg, 29.7 PER
1996: 30.4 pts, 6.6 reb, 4.3 ast, 2.20 stl, 49.5% fg, 29.4 PER
1997: 29.6 pts, 5.9 reb, 4.3 ast, 1.71 stl, 48.6% fg, 27.8 PER
1998: 28.7 pts, 5.8 reb, 3.5 ast, 1.72 stl, 46.5% fg, 25.2 PER
Kobe Bryant season by season
1997: 7.6 pts, 1.9 reb, 1.3 ast, 0.69 stl, 41.7% fg, 14.4 PER
1998: 15.4 pts, 3.1 reb, 2.5 ast, 0.94 stl, 42.8% fg, 18.5 PER
1999: 19.9 pts, 5.3 reb, 3.8 ast, 1.44 stl, 46.5% fg, 18.9 PER
2000: 22.5 pts, 6.3 reb, 4.9 ast, 1.61 stl, 46.8% fg, 21.7 PER
2001: 28.5 pts, 5.9 reb, 5.0 ast, 1.68 stl, 46.4% fg, 24.5 PER
2002: 25.2 pts, 5.5 reb, 5.5 ast, 1.48 stl, 46.9% fg, 23.2 PER
2003: 30.0 pts, 6.9 reb, 5.9 ast, 2.21 stl, 45.1% fg, 26.2 PER
2004: 24.0 pts, 5.5 reb, 5.1 ast, 1.72 stl, 43.8% fg, 23.7 PER
2005: 27.6 pts, 5.9 reb, 6.0 ast, 1.30 stl, 43.3% fg, 23.3 PER
2006: 35.4 pts, 5.3 reb, 4.5 ast, 1.84 stl, 45.0% fg, 27.97 PER
2007: 31.6 pts, 5.7 reb, 5.4 ast, 1.44 stl, 46.3% fg, 26.1 PER
Kobe doesn’t have a season that resembles Jordan.
Seasons with 30+ PER
MJ: 4
KB: 0
Seasons with 28+ PER
MJ: 7
KB: 0
Seasons with 25+ PER
MJ: 12
KB: 3
Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain are the only players in NBA history to have seasonal PERs over 31. They share the top 7 PERs in NBA history. Jordan has 4 and Wilt has 3.
Michael Jordan has 7 of the top 20 seasonal PERs all time. Kobe’s highest is #42 all time, a 27.97 PER.
Jordan has 9 seasons in the top 50 all time in PER. Kobe has 1. Kobe’s other two seasons that make the top 100 all time are #92 and #95…
Seasons with 30+ ppg
MJ: 8
KB: 3
Seasons with 25+ ppg
MJ: 12
KB: 6
Michael Jordan is one of four players in NBA history to average 20+ ppg every season in his career.
Seasons with 50% or better shooting
MJ: 6
KB: 0
Seasons with 47% or better shooting
MJ: 10
KB: 0
Seasons with 45% or better shooting
MJ: 12
KB: 7
Seasons with 6+ rebounds
MJ: 9
KB: 2
Seasons with 6+ assists
MJ: 3
KB: 1
Seasons with 5+ assists
MJ: 9
KB: 6
Seasons with 3+ steals
MJ: 1
KB: 0
Seasons with 2.5+ steals
MJ: 6
KB: 0
Seasons with 2+ steals
MJ: 10
KB: 1
Seasons with 100 or more blocks
MJ: 2
KB: 0
Seasons with 75 or more blocks
MJ: 4
KB: 0
Seasons with more than 50 blocks
MJ: 8
KB: 3
nail in the coffin
NBA Finals
Shaquille O'Neal (with the Lakers only)
2000: 38.0 points, 16.7 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 1.0 steals, 2.7 blocks, 2.2 turnovers, 61.1% shooting, 39% free throw
2001: 33.0 ppg, 15.8 rpg, 4.4 apg, .4 steals, 3.4 blocks, 4 turnovers, 57.3% shooting, 51% FT
2002: 36.3 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 3.8 apg, 2.8 blocks, 59.5% shooting, 66.2% FT
2004: 26.6 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 1.6 apg, .6 blocks, 63.1% shooting, 49% FT
TOTALS: 33.55 ppg, 14.1 rpg, 3.0 apg, 2.4 blocks, 60.2% shooting
Kobe refused to feed Shaq the ball in 2004.
Shaquille O'Neal = highest scoring average for a center in NBA Finals history
Shaquille O'Neal=one of the few players to score 30 points in all games of an NBA Finals
Hahaha Kobe doesn't play in May without Shaq.
Scottie Pippen
18.9 ppg, 6 apg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 steals, 1.0 blocks, 3.3 turnovers, 42.3% shooting
Kobe Bryant
22.1 ppg, 4.6 apg, 5.2 rpg, 1.4 steals, 1.0 blocks, 3.0 turnovers, 41.6% shooting
Michael Jordan
33.6 ppg, 6 apg, 6 rpg, 2.1 steals, .71 blocks, 50.2% shooting
Hmm, it looks to me like Kobe compares more favorably to Scottie Pippen than to Jordan. He was not the leader. He was not the ultimate playoff performer. Kobe was a sidekick.
As you can see, Jordan didn't even try to press his scoring. He had 57 assists in the 5 game series against the Lakers, the second most ever in a 5 game series behind Magic Johnson...
I thought about pointing out the NBA records Jordan holds, but there's just too many, and there's nothing to compare to with Kobe.
For instance, Jordan is the only player to score more than 20 points in all of his NBA Finals games in his career.
He's the only player to score more than 15 points in all playoffs games in his career (179 games).
His 41.0 ppg against Phoenix is the highest NBA Finals scoring average in history.
What impresses me is that Jordan shot over 50% in the NBA Finals, even for his whole career. The 33.6, 6 and 6 is a different story.
Kobe Bryant
Sub-48%
REG: 470 (60% of games)
PLAYOFFS: 84 (64% of games)
Sub-46%
REG: 417 (53% of games)
PLAYOFFS: 73 (56% of games)
Sub-44%
REG: 353 (45% of games)
PLAYOFFS: 64 (49% of games)
Sub-42%
REG: 307 (39% of games)
PLAYOFFS: 53 (40% of games)
thebruceblitzchannel | May 16, 2007
Kobe has shot under 40% for 1/3 of his career
seriously I cant stop laughing at that.
Kobe Bryant
Below 50% games
Regular season: 489 (62% of games)
Playoffs: 89 (68% of games)
Below 40% games
Regular season: 246 (31% of games)
Playoffs: 47 (36% of games)
Kobe Bryant
Sub 35% games
REG: 156 (20% of games)
PLAYOFFS: 28 (21% of games)
Sub 30% games
REG: 81 (9% of games)
PLAYOFFS: 13 (10% of games)
thebruceblitzchannel | May 17, 2007
Scottie Pippen averaged 13.3 shots per game for his career and Kobe had been taking more shots per game than Pippen averaged for his career by his third year in the league, when Kobe fans ***** about shot attempts I want to stomp their nutsack. Kobe was taking over 15 shots per game from his 3rd year and on, Kobe actually had a year where he took 27 shots per game, Jordan's career average was 21 shots per game.
Jordan took 27 shots per game for only one season, Jordan averaged 37.1ppg that sesaon, the year Kobe took 27 shots per game he averaged 2 points less.
I mean Kobe tries to be like Jordan but it will never ever happen
The same year Kobe took 27 shots per game he only averaged 1.8stl per g, 4.5ast per g, 5.3reb per game, and a crappy 0.4 blocks per game
The year Jordan took 27 shots per game he averaged 5.2reb per game, 4.6ast per g, and a whopping 2.9 steals per game to go with his 1.5 blocks per game
thebruceblitzchannel | May 17, 2007
Lebron James playoff career avg 28.9ppg 46%fg% 8.0rpg 6.8apg 1.4spg .6bpg
Michael Jordan playoff career avg 33.45ppg 49%fg% 6.4rpg 5.7apg 2.1spg .88bpg
Kobe Bryant playoff career avg 23.3ppg 44%fg% 4.9rpg 4.5apg 1.3spg .7bpg
(the only think kobe has on lebron is blocks by .1)
Dwyane Wade playoff career avg 23.5ppg 43%fg% 4.8rpg 6.3apg 1.2spg .5bpg
funny that Kobe and Wade both won titles with shaq and have almost identical playoff career averages.
50 points, sub 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 1 of his 31 games
Kobe Bryant: 6 of his 21 games
50 points, sub 45% shooting
Michael Jordan: 0
Kobe Bryant: 3
Yes, that's right, almost half of Kobe's 40 point "efforts" are less than 50% shooting. That's hilariously awful when you think about it for a moment.
40 point games
MJ: 173
Kobe: 85
30 point games
MJ: 561
Kobe: 245
50 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
MJ: 3
Kobe: 0
40 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
MJ: 27
Kobe: 15
40 points, sub 50% shooting
MJ: 27 (16% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 40 (47% of his 40 pt games)
40 points, sub 45% shooting
MJ: 13 (8% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 18 (21% of his 40 pt games)
40 points, sub 40% shooting
MJ: 2 (1% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 7 (8% of his 40 pt games)
Here's some lovely information.
70% games
Michael Jordan: 23
Kobe Bryant: 5
60% games
Michael Jordan: 160
Kobe Bryant: 53
50% games
Michael Jordan: 504
Kobe Bryant: 203
20 FG made & 60% or better shooting
MJ: 15
Kobe: 3
15 FG made & 60% or better shooting
MJ: 77
Kobe: 17
15 FG made & 50% or better shooting
MJ: 174
Kobe: 45
I also was able to show that Jordan gave his best for his strongest competition.
80s Jordan scoring average: 32.6 ppg
Regular season
80s Boston: 34.8 ppg
80s Detroit: 32.6 ppg
80s Philadelphia: 35.6 ppg
84-93 Cleveland: 34.2 ppg
Michael Cooper and the Lakers: 35.0 ppg
Playoffs career
Detroit: 30.0 ppg
New York: 33.1 ppg
Philadelphia: 38.2 ppg
Boston: 39.7 ppg
Cleveland: 42.5 ppg
New York was the only one of these teams he faced again in the playoffs during the second threepeat.
Of every game played since 1986:
Michael Jordan has 13 of top 25 game scores: #1, #4, #6, #6 (ties himself), #11, #16, #16, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #25
Kobe Bryant has 3 of the top 25 game scores.
Kobe Bryant has:
2nd worst game score for a player scoring 10 points. (5-21)
2nd worst game score for a player scoring 30 points. (11-29)
Worst and 4th worst game scores for a player scoring 40 points. (17-47, 12-30)
Of the 143 50 point games since 1986, in terms of shooting %:
Michael Jordan's games include #1, #5, #8, #17, #21, #22, etc.
Kobe Bryant's games include 10 of the 30 worst
7 of the 15 worst
The 3 worst
#118, #120, #122, #129, #131, #132, #133, #141, #142, #143
the worst home loss in Lakers history occurred this year
March 11, 2007
36 point loss to Dallas Mavericks
Kobe managed to go 6-19, 13-18 ft, dish 3 assists to 5 turnovers
He was 17th in steals... that's because he played the whole damn game.
He barely scraped the top 50 in steals per 40 minutes, and as we all know all the players ahead of him were guards.
thebruceblitzchannel | May 17, 2007
Kobe Bryant doesn't desrve to be on that 1st defensive team! Check this out:
X-Mas Day: Wade scored 40 points & 11 assist on Kobe.
Lebron scored 38 on Kobe
Melo lit Kobe up & man handled Kobe
Arenas torched Kobe for 60!
He was 17th in steals & had a low bpg%.
I don't see how he could be on the 1st defensive team with all that going on.
Team record in games played
Michael Jeffrey Jordan: 707-365 (.660)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 503-281 (.642)
Record in games with 30+ shot attempts
Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 31-39 (.443)
Record as team leader
Michael Air Jordan: 640-290 (.688)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 121-125 (.492)
Record, all team games
Michael Air Jordan: 706-366 (.659)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 556-314 (.639)
Postseason as team leader
Air: Missed postseason 0 times in 13 seasons
Bean: Missed postseason 1 time in 3 seasons
Records of the teams Jordan lost to in the playoffs:
1985 Milwaukee Bucks: 59-23
1986 Boston Celtics: 67-15*
1987 Boston Celtics: 59-23*
1988 Detroit Pistons: 54-28*
1989 Detroit Pistons: 63-19*
1990 Detroit Pistons: 59-23*
*=advanced to NBA Finals
Records of the teams Kobe lost to in the playoffs:
2006 Phoenix Suns: 54-28
2007 Phoenix Suns: 61-21
NBA Finals
Kobe Bryant
2000: 15.6 ppg, 4.2 apg, 4.6 rpg, 1.0 steals, 1.4 blocks, 1.2 turnovers, 36.7% shooting
2001: 24.6 ppg, 5.8 apg, 7.8 rpg, 1.4 steals, 1.4 blocks, 3.6 turnovers, 41.5% shooting
2002: 26.7 ppg, 5.2 apg, 5.8 rpg, 1.5 steals, .75 blocks, 3.8 turnovers, 51.4% shooting
2004: 22.6 ppg, 4.4 apg, 2.8 rpg, 1.8 steals, .6 blocks, 3.6 turnovers, 38% shooting
CAREER: 22.1 ppg, 4.6 apg, 5.2 rpg, 1.4 steals, 1.0 blocks, 3.0 turnovers, 41.6% shooting
NBA Finals
Michael Jordan
1991: 31.2 points, 11.4 assists, 6.6 rebounds, 2.8 steals, 1.4 blocks, 66.7% shooting
1992: 35.8 ppg, 6.5 apg, 4.8 rpg, 1.7 steals, .33 blocks, 52.6% shooting
1993: 41.0 ppg, 6.3 apg, 8.2 rpg, 1.7 steals, .66 blocks, 50.8% shooting
1996: 27.3 ppg, 3.8 apg, 5.3 rpg, 1.7 steals, .5 blocks, 48.9% shooting
1997: 32.3 ppg, 6.0 apg, 7.0 rpg, 1.2 steals, .83 blocks, 42.7% shooting
1998: 33.5 ppg, 2.3 apg, 4.0 rpg, 1.8 steals, .67 blocks, 42.7% shooting
CAREER: 33.6 ppg, 6 apg, 6 rpg, 2.1 steals, .71 blocks, 50.2% shooting

thebruceblitzchannel | May 15, 2007
does kobe suck?
11 seasons he's accomplished.
0 NBA MVPs
0 steal titles
0 assist titles
0 defensive player of the year award
0 6th man award
0 rebound titles
0 sports illustrated sportsman of the year award (Wade already got one)
0 espy best basketball player award (Wade already got one)
thebruceblitzchannel | May 15, 2007
0 rookie of the year awards
0 olympic medals (Wade already got two)
0 to lead the league in 3 point shooting
He's played in 4 NBA FINALS and accomplished this
0 finals mvps (Wade have one)
0 broken records in the nba finals (Wade have some)
11 seasons & 4 nba finals is more then enough time to have accomplished those things if you're one of the best ever. Not an all-time great, I'm taking about one of the best ever. Someone that you'll put in your 10 ten. I can't see how Kobe is in some peoples top ten & he has nothing to show for in 11 seasons. He's only got 2 scoring titles & 3 nba titles as an side-kick (he never led to a title).

Jordan definitely has 33 GW shots IN 58 shot attempts. Kobe on the other hand has a current % of 21% in the clutch

KOBE BRYANT SUCKS!!!!!