Fascim one way or the other?

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It seems to me that America's "leaders" are leaning toward fascim. On both sides.

It seems to me that the Republicans are going to use the threat of Terrorism to get people to do what they want. I'm afraid there will be all sorts bad things happening because of this fear.

It seems to me that the Democrats are going to use the fear of Global Warming to pass all kinds of crazy laws that will FORCE people to be more eco-friendly. Also, I fear that they want to help the poor so much (which is laudable, really) that they will be taking money from the rich and middle class to support the very poor. Maybe equal wages for everyone?

These thoughts are very much unfinished projects, please feel free to point out flaws in my logic so that I don't have to move to Canada in 2008. Thanks.

fas·cism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fash-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3. (initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.

I'm pretty sure Fascism is what I meant. I apologize for mispelling it. I should've re-read it.

Dan, you make a valid point. We have a system of checks and balances for a reason. But you don't see any of this as a "step toward"?

LF Guy, you also make a very good point. The War on Terrorism was a bad example. It's just that Terrorism isn't the actual attack. It's the change in lifestyle and the living in fear AFTER the attack that's the definition of terrorism. I know we've changed our lifestyle for good reason. But can you not see this as at least a "step in the wrong direction"?

Zurvan: I apolgize for not pointing out what the Republicans do to help the poor. I was trying to be as objective as possible and didn't know of any goverment policies "to help the poor".

Answer 1

I can see your point. There's a lot of blustery talk on the left, but most of them aren't really averse to using force to get any kind of social experiment accomplished. Al Gore's "Earth in the Balance" is my favorite example of a fascist model from the left. I doubt most people actually read it.

And, you're right, the "mainstream" Republicans, the ones we dub neo-Cons, have taken fear of terrorism to be the model of the future. Sadly, if we're going to live in fear of terror for the foreseeable future, we've already lost this War on Terror. Undoubtedly, the neo-Con approach to it is a capitulation to fear.

The place I disagree with you is that I don't believe it's a lost cause. There's a growing number of people like you and I who have seen this problem and are seeking a different kind of leadership. There's been a groundswell of support recently for Congressman Ron Paul's Presidential campaign, because he, too, is critical of the neo-Con agenda, and has been speaking out on this very subject. Look into his agenda and his voting record, and I think you'll see that there is an alternative to moving to Canada. Let's make the change right here and now.

Answer 2

I agree and disagree. I think that the democrats would also use the threat of terrorism to gain more political power. The only reason they oppose the war now is because the republicans adamantly support it which much to their stubbornness its dwindling their party numbers.This gives dems the perfect chance to win over voters from the republican side of the field.

And I also believe that both parties are trying to help [ not just the democrats as you noted ] republicans just believe its far more efficient to help the homeless through charity instead of ineptly built entitlement programs that create dependency and gives those that are on it no incentive to search for work.[ this is not in every case but I guarantee its in most ]

Answer 3

A perceptive post if i may say so.

the fact is both main Parties are bought and paid for by the New World Order -Nobody who isn't gets any media coverage, funding for campaigning etc.

The fact is most 'democracies' are now de facto single party states.- you'll see the same in Britain, Germany France etc.

people need to treat the controlled mass media with deep suspicion - e.g today is the 40th anniversary of the notorious Israeli false flag attack on the USS Liberty - but could you tell by the media?

one must inform oneself about what's really going on and who's really pulling the strings - and for that we got the net (for now at least) use it to bye -pass the NWO propaganda and indoctrination while it lasts.

Answer 4

I agree about the Democrats and Global warming, but disagree with your opinion on the other side. I have no doubt many liberal Dems would happily pass legislation curbing our lifestyle and taxing us more, all in the name of reducing our carbon emissions.

Fact: We were attacked on 9/11 by Islamic Fundamentalists that killed around 3,000 Americans. Fact, there have also been numerous other terrorist plots that have been attempted or planned, but stopped.

I do not think it is a step towards fascism that the gov't takes some measures to fight terrorism and prevent another attack. I'm perfectly happy if the one of the alphabet soup intelligence agencies monitors in on calls or emails to or from suspected terrorists, even without a warrant.

Get out of the law enforcement mindset (which is what the liberals are in) and get into the national security mindset regarding terrorism. Getting warrants and persuing them with the justice system is a recipe for failure. Fighting them like we are in a war is the correct approach.

By the way, one of the liberals favorite guys, Hugo Chavez, is quickly moving towards Fascism by trying to silence the opposition. He recently shut down the only privately owned and operated TV network in his country, in favor of a state run one.

Answer 5

America is a democratic republic, even the worst president cant be put in the same sentence as a facist. Bush looks like a saint compared to hitler, Nixon is more akin to Jesus than to Stalin

Answer 6

Learn the definition of Facism for starters, that's simple politics.