3 min clip of improbable collapse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp_buA1HNUk The full video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586
Here is some background on the good Dr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones
Argumentum ad hominem (argument directed at the person). This is the error of attacking the character or motives of a person who has stated an idea, rather than the idea itself. The most obvious example of this fallacy is when one debater maligns the character of another debater (e.g, "The members of the opposition are a couple of fascists!"), but this is actually not that common. A more typical manifestation of argumentum ad hominem is attacking a source of information -- for example, responding to a quotation from Richard Nixon on the subject of free trade with China by saying, "We all know Nixon was a liar and a cheat, so why should we believe anything he says?
2007-06-04
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" Argumentum ad hominem also occurs when someone's arguments are discounted merely because they stand to benefit from the policy they advocate -- such as Bill Gates arguing against antitrust, rich people arguing for lower taxes, white people arguing against affirmative action, minorities arguing for affirmative action, etc. In all of these cases, the relevant question is not who makes the argument, but whether the argument is valid.
It is always bad form to use the fallacy of argumentum ad hominem. But there are some cases when it is not really a fallacy, such as when one needs to evaluate the truth of factual statements (as opposed to lines of argument or statements of value) made by interested parties. If someone has an incentive to lie about something, then it would be naive to accept his statements about that subject without question. It is also possible to restate many ad hominem arguments so as to redirect them toward ideas rather than people, such as by replacing "My opponents
2007-06-04
15:16:13 ·
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are fascists" with "My opponents' arguments are fascist."
2007-06-04
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Logical Fallacies and the Art of Debate
http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html#Argumentum%20ad%20hominem
2007-06-04
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Popular mechanics 2005 cover story. Is old news and has little relevance in this. Talk about being debunked. All this misinformation is getting out of hand.
David Ray Griffin has put out a good book called Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory
Other than that I would also feel it necessary to point to Kevin Ryan "A New Standard for Deception" This video is not debulkable for it is debunking the NIST report and bring to bear important since and ethical questions. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=718236659434732032
2007-06-04
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It is very interesting the number of people who are swayed by a video, along with an unsupported hypothesis based on conjecture.
That video does not show you the bottom of the structure, nor does it show you the effect that the destruction of the other buildings had on that structure.
Steven Jones "findings" are not findings at all, they are speculation...and unsupported speculation widely debunked. Try Popular Mechanics for starters.
2007-06-11 06:43:45
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Steven Jones is a man of great integrity. He has stood up against a wall of water and as the water resides it appears he is still standing fast.
Although some claim everything he has done has been debunked. This simply shows ignorance on the part of the person making the statement. In fact he has debunked many aspects of the original story. He has brought forth many experiments and facts to disprove portions of the FEMA report as well as the NIST report.
Your little "Argumentum ad hominem" post is somewhat amusing. You could have put it in your own words and shortened it up a bit. But it was a nice touch, better fitting for Rossie I would think.
2007-06-07 03:28:23
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I think he and others have brought up valid questions concerning the events of as well as before and after 911. Until the is a thorough independent investigation these questions will persist and the governments culpability seems more plausible.
The example of an Ad homonym argument concerning Richard Nixon is not a good one. Once I learn that you have lied to me about anything of importance even once, I must then question your reliability in all other areas. To ever place full confidence and trust in you again would be absolute lunacy on my part. How many times has our government and elected representatives lied to us?
2007-06-04 22:32:17
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yOU CAN POUND YOUR HEAD ON A WALL, AND DENY THE FACTS ALL YOU WANT.
PHYSICS CANT LIE, FREEFALL SPEED SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO CONVINCE ANYONE PERIOD. i DONT KNOW IF THE GOVERNMENT WAS INVOLVED IN THE PLANNING OF THE ATTACKS. BUT SOMEONE MADE THE CALL TO "PULL" THOSE TOWERS, PERIOD. AND WE AREN'T BEING GIVEN THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. ITS VERY COENCIDENTAL THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE GOING TO HAVE TO BE DEMOLISHED ANYWAY, DUE TO ASBESTOS,(LOOK IT UP!!!) AND THIS WOULD HAVE COST MORE THAN IT WAS WORTH.
THE ONLY THREE STEEL STRUCTURES IN HISTORY, TO COLAPSE DUE TO FIRE, ALL HAPPENED ON THE SAME DAY, IN THE SAME TOWN, ON THE SAME BLOCK AND OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON........(CHECK IT OUT!!!)
aND JUST SO HAPPEN THAT THE PRESIDENTS BROTHER RAN THE SECURITY COMPANY THAT GUARDED THE TOWERS UNTIL 2OR3 DAYS BEFORE THE ATTACK. (MARVIN BUSH, LOOK IT UP!!!)
AND THE GUY TAKEING OVER AS HEAD OF SECURITY, JUST SO HAPPENED TO BE THE GUY THAT THE F.B.I. FIRED/LAIDOFF/RETIRED, BECAUSE HE WANTED TO PERSUE BINLADEN, VIGOROUSLY. hE WAS ALSO THE FOREMOST EDUCATED PERSON ON THE SUBJECT OF alCIAda AND BINLADIN. HIS FIRST DAY ON THE JOB WAS 9-11-01.
ALSO WHERE IS THE GOLD, AND SILVER THAT WAS STORED IN THE BASEMENT OF WTC. (RESERVE) LOOK IT UP!!! NO MENTION OF IT.
A NEW PEARL HARBOUR,?? PNAC?? NWO?? BUSH CARTELL?? NO MORE WORD ON ALL THE PUT OPTIONS THAT WERE MADE ON THE AIRLINE COMPANIES AND INSURANCE COMPANIES INVOLVED IN THE EVENT. MOST TRACE BACK TO CIA, ISRAEL, REPUBLICAN PARTY. LOOK IT UP!!!! IF YOU CAN STILL FIND IT.
DADDY USED TO SAY IF IT LOOKS LIKE A FISH, SMELLS LIKE A FISH, AND SWIMS LIKE A FISH,
ITS NOT A DUCK, JACKASS, OR DOG. ITS A FISH.
AND IF FLIGHT 93 CRASHED IN A FIELD, WHY DID AN AIRPORT IN OHIO REPORT IT AS LANDED AND EVACTUATED TO A SECURED AREA. LOOK IT UP!!!!!
AT OR ABOUT 1045AM. GOOGLE IT, YOUTUBE IT!!!!
2007-06-12 11:31:05
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at least in the case of the twin towers, both planes that hit were totally full of jet fuel. this fuel ran down the elevator shafts in the center of the buildings on fire. other building fires he refers to, where the buildings did not collapse, had only the normal fuel inside the building already, i.e. furniture, construction materials, paper etc.! the towers had all this plus the thousands of gallons of jet fuel! hmmm, which would move down through the elevator shafts igniting every other fuel source as it goes, and melting the building from the center out. most logical thinking people would believe this would cause the building to collapse within and on itself. but I am no expert. I did see the collapse of both buildings and I saw no evidence to the contrary. I have seen demolitions and the preceding explosions were easy to see before the buildings began to fall. the third building I have no clue about, but I know with 2 buildings that large collapsing so close I could understand the possibilities.
2007-06-04 22:48:57
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If you were really researching for the facts, you would have come across the fact that Stephen Jone's findings and allegations have been debunked - item by item - not only by his own colleagues, but by engineers, physicists and demolition experts around the world - far out of reach of any conspiracy.
For an example - Dr. Jone's straight and undeformed steel that's seen exploding from the first tower in a fuzzy photograph is actually aluminum cladding that was developed by Alcoa specifically for the towers - apparently, the esteemed Dr. Jones was unaware of this when he implied that this expelled "steel" was evidence of a controlled demolition.
2007-06-04 22:39:02
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Other than trying to make a buck I have no idea what drives this guy. All you really need to know about his "theory" is this:
"The paper has been the center of controversy both for its content and its claims to scientific rigor. [15][16] Jones' early critics included members of BYU's engineering faculty[17] and shortly after he made his views public, the BYU College of Physical and Mathematical Sciences and the faculty of structural engineering issued statements in which they distanced themselves from Jones' work. They noted that Jones' "hypotheses and interpretations of evidence were being questioned by scholars and practitioners", and expressed doubts about whether they had been "submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review."[18]
Jones has always maintained that the paper was peer-reviewed prior to publication, though it has never been published in an independent peer-reviewed journal."
That is not ad hominem. That is saying that his colleagues at BYU did not agree and that he never submitted his paper for peer review.
2007-06-04 22:42:09
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Historically Important-
- He may well be the a reason why the New World Fascist Order will flounder-
A hero in a sea of paid off government shills.
2007-06-04 22:20:25
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Steven Jones reveals thermite to hide the scalar weapons used along with THEL and Direct Energy Weapons! See:
http://www.drjudywood.com/
Multiple 9/11 ExoW Coverup: Steven Jones also linked to Neutrino Weaponry?
http://www.911researchers.com/node/372
Top Direct Energy Insider linked to Claremont (Griffin), Los Alamos (PJones)
http://www.911researchers.com/node/347 )
Professor Steven E Jones worked at KEK
http://www.kek.jp/intra-e/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones
"...He was the principal investigator for experimental Muon-catalyzed fusion from 1982 to 1991 for the U.S. Department of Energy...
Jones has also been a collaborator in several experiments, including experiments at TRIUMF (Vancouver, British Columbia), The National High Energy Laboratory, KEK (Tsukuba, Japan), and the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory at Oxford University...."
http://www.kek.jp/kek-news/vol1no2/news3.html
"...to name a few, Steven CHU, Allen MILLS Jr., Steven JONES, Donald FLEMING, Jess BREWER, Anthony ARROT and Alexander SCHENCK are the recent visitors...."
The importance of neutrino weaponry is immense, because they could potentially destroy nuclear weaponry.
Did an additional Neutrino Weapon "Test" took place on 9/11? Furthermore: Was an AntiMatter Weapon responsible for the 'wipe' of the 'spire' and the "slice" of WTC 7?
http://www.motorsportsartist.com/911truthiness/?p=68
http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/7/5/7
http://neutrino.kek.jp/
Air Force pursuing anti-matter weapons 2004
http://www.metafilter.com/36038/Air-Force-pursuing-antimatter-weapons
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/10/04/MNGM393GPK1.D...
Dr. Gerald A. Smith
http://www.pr-llc.com/
"...Gerald Smith, former chairman of physics and Antimatter Project leader at Pennsylvania State University....
Positronics Research LLC, in Santa Fe, N.M. ...
Smith founded the AntiMatter Weaponry Company in Summer 2001
(Teamwork with Brookhaven, CERN, Fermilab, Stanford LAC Group)
http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/positron_drive_pluto.html
Positron Drive: Fill 'er Up For Pluto
Stanford Linear Accelerator (SLAC) located in Menlo Park, California
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/
Jones was also in TRIUMF,Canada
http://www.triumf.info/public/media/news.php?which=5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones
http://www.triumf.info/public/about/mission.php
Steven Jones, David Kubiak- The Los Alamos Connections
http://www.veronicachapman.com/nyc911/Jones-Kubiak.htm
Steven Jones sabotaged the development of free energy
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LQz7JUJ4hOU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=F4NtIqsqTE8
2007-06-10 02:11:23
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I finally got it. Here's what I learned of 911 inside job.
WTC is rigged with explosives. 2 big jets crash into it, but this doesn't set off explosives already placed. Fires don't set off any explosives ready to bring down WTC.
Now, the jets punched big holes in WTC1&2. There is hole, missing important structures, BUT somebody put thermite in there to melt metals. I guess for back up just in case this HOLE punched by jet airliner isn't enough damage.
They figure nobody ever used thermite to carry out building demolition this is perfect time to do it. Cool.
And WTC 7 demolition is delayed untill late in afternoon. I guess they wanted wait until DUST clears up people can really see how demolition is done. UNLIKE if you do this "demolition'' during wtc collapse it would provide perfect cover. But they wanted to show off demolition. I would have done it during WTC collapse though. Since dust from WTC covered up ENTIRE Manhattan area providing you cover to do ANYTHING!
And it has been 6 long years, but nobody involved in 'inside job' came forward. That's funny.
When they lied about WMD CIA agents, gov insiders leaked info to newspaper like mad, criticizing Cheney and others. I guess thousands of those involved in '911 inside job' are just pure evil. With no conscience.
Steven Jones is tenured professor of physics. I don't know if you know what tenured means, but it guarantee job security to a professor for life. He isn't particularly 'brave' for speaking out. He knows they can't fire him for saying dumb things since he is tenured professor.
2007-06-06 03:51:57
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