The More I know, The More I Know We're Going to Lose in Iraq, What's Your Thoughts?

Question

I remember during the Vietnam War the local paper published a map of Vietnam in 1967 that showed where we had control. The following year, in 1968 they published a new map showing we had lost a lot of ground -- yet the paper still insisted we were winning.

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Today, on Yahoo news was this headline:

U.S., Iraqi troops control only a third of Baghdad

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S.-led soldiers control only about a third of Baghdad, the military said on Monday, almost four months into a security crackdown during which troops are dying at rates not seen for more than two years.

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To me it is as clear as day we have not won the hearts and minds of the people and that when this is over democracy will not win over a dictatorship. That we need to lick our wounds and get the hell out and let the Iraqi people sort this out.

What are your thoughts?

Answer 1

of course you will lose. all your fancy weapons and technologies don't help when your the foreign aggressor. you will never win hearts and minds on the street and always be seen as the imperialist occupier.

Answer 2

I really got to hand it too kwilfort for giving the rah-rah speech of the week with this gem..........

"If the traitor democrats and gutless Bush would let the military fight a real war instead of a politically correct one and exterminate the insurgency it would all be over and the troops home, but it'll have to be done before the next election because the dems will surrender to the islamo fascists anyway. "

Here is a clue to you Kwilfort, even if we let the military do what they want we still can't win unless we turn the country into glass by nuking them. Sure, we may be able to have a temporary win, but we sure as hell can't have a lasting one. This is a clusterphuuukee from the get go and was started under a pack of lied, assumptions, extremely bad intelligence all while listening to the wrong people and shutting up the opposition.

The real crime is not this war, it's the fact that we haven't impeached Bush and Cheney and hung them up by their short hairs all while telling the world, NEVER AGAIN!!

The dems, in this case, are gutless wonders.

Answer 3

I think the biggest problem is that there is no definition of what "winning" is. This started with the lies we were told by the Bush administration to frighten the American public into war in the first place.

At first we were there to find the WMDs that Saddam was hiding. Since we found none and proved there were none, then we should have won the war then.

Instead, then it turned out that we were really there to capture the terrible dictator Saddam Hussein. Well, we did that, too, and still victory eluded us.

Then it was going to be a victory when the Iraqis elected a democratic government. They did that too. Geogre Bush had an Iraqi woman with purple fingers at the State of the Union address to even show everyone, and still we haven't won.

Now, we need a troop surge to win, supposedly, but as you said we seem to be losing control of more and more territory and have less and less of the Iraqi population supporting our troops.

I agree with you, we will not win this war.

I think that we really never had a chance at winning this war because the Bush administration had no clear objectives for the army to achieve and put the US in the role of an aggressor nation attacking a sovereign country and occupying it. They are nothing more than a bunch of bitter, disgruntled men carrying a grudge from the first war and wanted to show Saddam who was boss. As for George W. Bush, he was just trying to make his dad proud of him. What none of them (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc) realized was that George H.W. Bush knew what he was doing when he had the US act as a liberator helping another nation and not going into Iraq. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.

Answer 4

It is ashame the Iraqis cant get their act together and take advantage of an oppurtunity to make a better country. Even if it means cooperating with the Americans who invaded their country in the first place. I think it is a matter of pride for the Iraqis which is too bad because if they could just swallow it for awhile and look to the future instead of the present the Americans would be leaving a lot sooner then later and Iraq would be a lot better off then it was before the invasion. I think the reality will be once Bush is out the next president will begin a phased withdrawl and the iraqis will be left to fend for themselves.

Answer 5

It's been clear as day-since day 1 that we have no right to be in Iraq. It has become abundantly clear that there are so many problems within the country, the only people who can solve those problems is the inhabitants.
If, at this point, American troops only control 1/3rd of Baghdad, where do we stand in the rest of the country? Could not agree more that we need to pull out as soon as possible.

Answer 6

If the traitor democrats and gutless Bush would let the military fight a real war instead of a politically correct one and exterminate the insurgency it would all be over and the troops home, but it'll have to be done before the next election because the dems will surrender to the islamo fascists anyway.

Answer 7

we shouldn't be there but sadly i believe at this point about all we can do is pray that all the troops get home safe. whatever the country, families just want their men/women home safe and sound.
i wish the men who declare the war, ie george bush, should have to go and fight right alongside the troops they send! they should not be allowed to just sit home safe and sound while sending troops made up of
our sons and daughters,
our mums and dads,
our brothers and sisters,
our husbands and wives
off to war! perhaps then they wouldn't be so quick to stick their noses in other countries problems.
God bless the troops! whatever country they are from, whatever side they are on, none of them want to be there. God damn the leaders who started this!

Answer 8

I agree. George W. Bush has disgraced humanity with his existence, what with all of the lies, the kind he still tries to convince us that they are true. Instead of going over there with guns, we should have proven to them that we are right by showing them enough good to make them willingly believe that our intentions are as good as GWB is having a hard time making even us americans believe. Clearly, it is GWB that deserves every bullet and missile fired in the effort to find the weapons of mass destruction that never existed. The only good thing that happened because of the war was the elimination of Saddam, and that and only that is what we should have gone there for.

Answer 9

"Going to lose", we, have already lost, how many more of our children do we have to bury before it is realized that it just ain't working and how much closer are we to an ending - I guess there is victory in numbers and if that is so, we have lost. God Bless.

Answer 10

Because Bush is still in office that's why! It's a shame he can't
experience losing a brother or sister to a roadside bomb.