Vermont wants to secede? Do we have to beg?

Question

In case you haven't heard, Vermont wants to secede from the Union.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070604/ap_on_re_us/vermont_secession

Unfortunately, this will never happen because
1. They only have 300 people in their secession group, and
2. The Civil War.

But oh how great it would be! I mean, they LITERALLY elected a socialist to the Senate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders
Their judges sentence a man to 60 days in prison for raping a 10 year old:
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=4319605&nav=4QcT/
They NEED to be their own country. It would be perfectly acceptable to me.

And you know what? They would be happy. Since the majority of their citizens are the wealthy elite, they don't have to deal with those annoying poor people like we do. They can keep their abortions legal, keep their child molesters on the streets, whatever they want to do.

All I ask is this: Please take Mass., NY, Conn., etc with you. Take them all, become a separate country, and be happy.

In the meantime, let US (normal people) bring America back to the way it should be, where we can let our children outside without fear of them being kidnapped.
Where I don’t have to teach my son about safe sex when he’s 14 (because he knows that sex before marriage is BAD).
Where killing your unborn baby is illegal, and speaking your mind doesn’t get you fired.
Where we don’t have racist policies like Affirmative Action and UNCF.
Where minorities are encouraged to work for a living, not spend their lives in welfare-assisted poverty.

Are you with me? Do you miss this America? The join with me, and beg:

PLEASE, VERMONT, LEAVE AMERICA!!!

Do you guys agree?

Answer 1

Please don't classify all Vermonters like this because of a few radical leftists.

As you pointed out there are only 300 people in the secession group. Hawaii, Alaska, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Texas all have some form of secession organization today. Every state in the union has a few wackos.

In the case with the sex offender getting 60 days in prison, the minimum sentence was changed to 3 years because Vermonters were outraged.

You say that most Vermonters are the wealthy elite, but according to the 2004 national census, the per capita income for Vermont was lower than the national average. We have plenty of poor people in Vermont. This is part of the reason why Bernie Sanders (the Socialist) was elected; he supports universal health care coverage because many Vermonters can't afford health care. Vermont also has a republican governor. Not every elected official is a liberal nor is every Vermonter. I oppose killing unborn children, support abstinence, and believe people should work to support themselves instead giving money to those who are too lazy to work. I worked and took out loans to pay for my own college tuition.

I agree that Vermont is one of the most left leaning states in the nation, but there are plenty of conservatives here too.

Answer 2

It's funny how 300 Vermonters have suddenly become the norm for ALL of Vermont. 300 isn't even close to the full population, so to say all Vermonters are evil is wrong. That's like me saying that all Californian's must be like the spoiled brats we see in Hollywood.

The reason why the group wants to secede started because of unfair taxation. The U.S. seceded from British rule because of taxes. In Vermont, everything known to man is suddenly about taxes. Property taxes have risen, in my town at least, 300% in the past decade. Salaries have certainly not climbed anywhere near that much. If you buy a used car that someone has already paid sales tax on, you can expect to pay sales tax again, and not just on the amount you bought the car for - you pay taxes on the car's blue book value.

Towns and cities within Vermont now have the right to set a sales tax rate higher than the state sales tax rate if they want extra money for the town. State wide the tax rate is 6% but in towns like Williston, you will pay 7%. Same goes for the 9% meals tax - pay 10% in some towns.

We also pay income tax to the state - some states do and others don't but I know on my self-employment income, 5% goes to the state and the federal government gets their chunk too.

Yes there are some rich here in VT, the majority moved here from Boston, New York, or Los Angeles. That has driven up the cost of housing and has negatively impacted things. There is an environmental firm located in Mass. that feels they have the right to slap a lawsuit against any thing they feel will impact the environment in VT. Want to build an interstate or bypass, try getting past them first.

I've lived in VT for most of my life, and I know that when my children are out of school I'll urge them to move on. The cost of living here for the majority is getting way out of hand. The average income of $10 an hour isn't working when a 2-bedroom house will cost you $200k, school and town taxes are a good 1 to 2% of the house's value, and then health insurance is rising regularly, IF you are lucky enough to have coverage at all.

As for abortions--not that I'm even sure why you've singled out VT for being pro-abortion, Vermont is not alone in this--I watched a woman get stoned by anti-abortion protesters. She was going into Planned Parenthood to get a pap smear and breast exam. For that reason alone, I have NO respect for those who feel that killing a baby is evil, but stoning someone is fine and dandy.

Answer 3

CA has supposedly wanted to secede a few times, too. It's just a little hystrionics by the radicals.

Answer 4

I would not let them.

If they do, we do a Lincoln on them. Bring Iraqi troops home, invade Vermont, take it back. Then like the Romans we have a Vermonter diaspora as all residents at the time of succession will be forced to leave Vermont forever (It is a beautiful state and it can be repopulated with patriots).

Answer 5

So in time of need Vermont wants to bail out on America. Pathetic Vermont.

Answer 6

May I vote on that?

I vote they can leave America and become a subsidiary of Quebec.

Answer 7

i think it should be on the ballot, not just in vermont, but in all 50 states. you'd be surprised how many americans would tell them to get out and immediately start making flags with 49 stars. heck, we wouldn't be missing much

Answer 8

I thought that they did that when they elected Dean as governor? I say, the way they seem to coddle child molestors, let 'em, and break off diplomatic relations with 'em.

Answer 9

maybe we should just break the whole country up- its too hard to have 50 places with different laws and people uniting.

Answer 10

well if you do want them to secede then sign their petition http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/166703669