Let's all agree that the kick-in goal rule should be changed.?

Question

This may be a bit to extreme, but I believe the rule should be : 'if the puck hits off a players skate and goes in the net, even if not having been touched by anything, it is not a goal' This whole kicking thing is bogus, and as you can see, already conspiracy theories are everywhere. The decision to count a goal that goes of a player's skate is 100% the video goal judge's feeling.

To those sens fans that are smearing their one win in everyone's face: When did I say that I didn't think last nights goal was in? NEVER. I did think it was in, Alfie made the kicking motion after it went off his skate. I said the rule should be changed because OTHER people are complaining about it. So let's stick to the question, and stop thinking that if someone isn't with you, their against you

Also, if you let all deflection of the skate goals count, you'll have guys just hacking at the puck with their skates when it comes across the crease if their out of position. It defeats the purpose of why the rule was made in the first place, to protect the goalie

Answer 1

I think the problem with rules like these is that it depends on the refs opinion.

I believe Anaheim scored a goal against Detroit which was nullified because it hit the players hand and they thought he slapped it in the goal but the replay should the hitting motion with his hand come after the puck was in the net, That's almost the same kind thing that happened last night. The puck went it after it hit Alfredson's foot and the kicking motion came afterwards and this goal was allowed.

Now although I'm a ducks fan I do believe that the goal should have counted as it did, but then the goal Anaheim scored against Detroit should have counted as well. Either disallow but goals or allow them but don't let the rules as they are now, because they create more confusion about what you can and cannot do.

I think these rules have to be clarified and be a lot more detailed for them to make sense.

Answer 2

I don't really know how I feel about this. I agree and disagree.

If it counts from a deflection off a player, how can you say whether it was a kick or not? And if it was a kick, how is it different from not kicking? It still hit the skate.

However, I think this is the way NHL is thinking about it because it would lead to this kind of argumentation in one form or another. If you can kick it and a skate deflection counts, why can't a puck off the hand count? Well if a kick is legal because skate deflections are allowed, then a slap should be legal since glove deflections are allowed. If you can slap or kick a puck in a goal, and you can kick for a pass, why can't you hand pass?

Another aspect is that many of the glove deflections and kicks are accidental, no real skill involved. But if you started to make all deflections count, it could start a trend of hitting opposing players up a little higher, and this could lead to unnecessary injuries that the league is obligated to protect against.

Answer 3

They need to make a few clarrifications this offseason. The rule was made in good intention but the problem is human error. One ref can see it one way and vise versa. They need to make the rule if it goes of the skate at all, it either counts or doesnt count. Im tired about arguing kicking motion and intent of the player. If a guy is trying to stop it will always look like a kicking motion.

Another rule that needs to be looked at with the same reason is the puck going of the glove and in. About a dozen times this playoffs a puck was nocked in off the glove while the player was swinging the stick to score. 6 goals counted 6 didnt, on the exact same play. They look at if the puck was punched in. No of the times did the player intentianaly punch it in, but because his arm was moving forward, and it hit his glove, some were not counted.

The last thing I would like to see, and I know im going to get harped for this one is refs in the booth calling penalties. To many times players are getting away with dangerous head shots, including last night. This has got to stop, but when a play like that isnt called, things get way out of hand (examples last night, and many times this season). I believe these rule changes will make the game a little less confusing, and make a player think twice before trying to knock a guy out behind the play.

Answer 4

As with most rules it started off with good intentions. As I understand it, it was brought in to protect the goalie, who when there's a loose puck in the crease, players tended to try and boot the puck into the net, often resulting in an injury to the goaltender from the players skate as he tries to cover the puck. Now somehow it's become whether or not the players skate comes in contact with the puck and it goes into the net or not, which defeats the original purpose of the rule. If there's going to be a rule it should be clearly, if an opposing player is on the blue ice of the goal crease, he may not touch the puck with anything but his stick, or else no goal. If it's deflected outside the blue ice in any manner - goal. This reflects the original intent of the rule.

Answer 5

if you make this rule change your going to have to also change other rules.

- puck cant touch any part of your body, opposing players body, or anything other then the players stick and the goalie.

how many deflections from skates, gloves, or any part of the body of a player do you see just about every game? it happens all the time.

review the shot, sometimes they go the way you want, sometimes they don't.

i'm a sabres fan, and against the sens vanek had a goal waived off because he couldn't move his glove outta the way and the puck went in off his glove. if you watch the video it clearly shows that he pulled his hand up to avoid the puck hitting his hand.


these things happen all the time. let the rule be. they have changed enough rules for 1 year.

Answer 6

i agree w/ bob. they should all count. w/ goalie pads as big as they are these days, there job is to stop anything that crosses the plane/face of the goal. if a player wants to kick it in, and his wrist or slapshot sucks so much that is what he wants to rely on ... good for him. (i'm being facetious here. i realize that most kick-in incidents are not "first shots"). the goalie should be able to stop it. if the goalie is out of position because he made a poor judgment OR if he didn't control a rebound, that's his fault. he had the chance. most of these "disputes" are over deflections and rebounds. again, bad on the goalie for not controlling the rebound. the guy kicking it in is probly getting hooked anyway. as far as the deflection, does it matter who it hits? shoot, sometimes it hits the goalie's defensemen and goes in, or the goalie himself. you guys get all wrapped around the axle about a kicking motion. if the goalie can't keep it out. that's his fault. count em all.

far too much time, whining, and angst is spent on this whole concept. count em all. unless the goalie stops them.

add - i have lost track w/ how many times i've answered this question. and the main reason why i answer it so many times is not for people to think like me. but i am sick of hearing some of the world's stupidest answers. including those who agree w/ me. because you have such poor reasoning.

here's my add. no "kicking" in the crease. protect the goalie. just like no swinging your elbows while in the crease even if it's at invisible opponents. you gotta respect the goalie's territory. kicking from anywhere else is good. so, simply said, if a puck hits a skate (whether offensive or defensive) and goes in, regardless of perceived intent, it counts. unless the skate was in the crease AT ANY TIME during which the puck was advancing towards the goal.

CAN WE PLEASE talk about something else now? this horse has been beaten so much, that we're now staring at a puddle of glue.

Answer 7

I agree it should be changed,
but not disallowed.....
If the puck goes in the net,
it should be a goal, plain and simple
other than a hand pass, I can't see why it should be disallowed,
If I deflect a pass to another player with a kicking motion,
the play isn't blown dead
Other than use of the hands, redirecting the puck should be allowed as it is everywhere else on the ice
Let the pampered Goalers earn their keep like they did in the old days

Answer 8

Maybe if you make an intentional motion no goal.

Close to the rule now, but a little different.

Meaning, Alfredsson for sure made an intentional motion to move his skate to contact and deflect the puck. Whether he kicked it can be argued, but you can clearly see he intentionally moved his foot into position.

So add on to the rule now and say any intent to skate deflect in is no goal.

I think unintentional skate contact is fine and should stay.

Answer 9

So let say your team has the puck, in the offensive zone, the D-man takes a hard slapshot, one of your players in front of the net trying to gain position (let's even say he has his back to the d-man taking the shot). The puck hits his skate and goes in. According to your rule, it doesn't count even though the man in front had no idea the puck was coming.

I think this is just some extreme whining by people who wanted the Ducks to win. Get over it, they lost game 3, but its a 7 games series.

Answer 10

if thats the case why dont we let them pick up the puck and throw it in the net. lets say alfredson was pronger, the puck goes off his skate in the same fashion i say GOAL. Alfredson tilted his skate for the deflection, i forget who it was i think it was someone on the rangers this playoffs that went to the net and i think they clearly just put on the breaks in that motion his skate hit the puck and in they need to call it consistant no matter what the rules and last nights call was not consistant with previous calls