Guantanamo suicide inmate was Al-Qaeda member - How long before WE are the villains for letting this happen?

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Oh wait - it's happened and here is a link for my Caveman friend who likes links:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070531231757.xq23ljyq&show_article=1&catnum=3

The Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), a US legal rights group that represents detainees being held without charge, blamed the US government for the Saudi prisoner's death.

Jumana Musa at the rights group Amnesty International USA was not surprised to hear about the suicide.

"People have been trying to kill themselves at Guantanamo for years. It was inevitable," said Musa.

"There is a desperation among the detainees," she said. "The best efforts to prevent this kind of thing don't match the desperation of knowing that you are being held for years without any hope of resolution of your case."


What about FREE WILL - WE didn't kill him? HE DID IT to HIMSELF!!!!!!!

Answer 1

I agree.

The next thing that will probably happen, is that the libs will want to set up a terrorist rehab center. You know, for therapy in an attempt to change their minds about wanting to kill Americans in mass quantities or some equally inane idea that doesn't include punishment for crimes like it darn well should be.

Look at the mess they made of our own prison systems. It's only a matter of time before terrorists are sitting pretty with TV's, computers, access to exercise equipment, at least 3 meals a day - you know, a lot of luxuries our current inmates are enjoying on our dime that a lot of us don't have in our crime-free, non-murderous, sane lives.

Answer 2

If he was truly an admitted member of Al Queda, why was the US government so afraid to try him? I have no problem with Gitmo or holding people there. What I have a problem with is, if these people are truly enemy combatants and not just innocent people turned in for the reward money - why not try them (or, at the very least charge them) as such instead of holding them indefinately?

Article I, Section 9 of the Constitution states:

“The privelege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it.”

We have not been invaded, and there is no rebellion. The Constitution applies to EVERYONE on US soil, not just citizens.

I hear about people getting released from Gitmo once in a while, completely exonerated of any wrongdoing. They were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, and ran into a local bounty hunter who got greedy for U.S. dollars and took anyone and everyone prisoner. At $5,000 a head.

To add stupidity to injury, instead of holding these people locally, investigating quickly, and perhaps shooting the bounty hunters who cheat the system and contribute to the ruin of innocent people’s lives, the Pentagon instead ships all of these people halfway around the world and keeps them locked up for years. And then, if and when they’re cleared of wrongdoing, sometimes releases them.

Don’t mistake my position: anyone who is a terrorist or paramilitary engaged in plotting or executing an attack against us should be rounded up, held, tried, and shot. Those who are innocent who were turned in for the bounty should be released.

But the only way to know the difference is to try them

Answer 3

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Answer 4

You truly are the Ugly American

It would be great if you would be held in a dog cage for years, without charges

Ever hear of the Geneva Conventions ?

You forgot to mention during your right-wing hate-fest that the inmate was a Saudi Arabian...

Weren't almost all of the 9-11 attackers Saudi Arabian ?

How many were Iraqis ?

So if Iraqis ever commit an act of terrorism against the United States will we invade Saudi Arabia ?

Answer 5

Was he? Is there any proof that anybody at Guantanamo was a terrorist? Have there been any trials? Has there been any justice? Six years since 911 and still no convictions. We've been holding a lot of suspects. If they really are terrorists, lets try them and convict them.

Answer 6

hrmm.... i am a police officer. if i treated a murder suspect like that, detaining him with no right to council, using "enhanced interrogation techniques(torture)", and kept him in the living conditions they endure, id get sued and thrown in prison for the rest of my life. idk who they are. they could be the devil them self, and if they do not get the same due process as everyone else.... we are no better then they are, and they win, becuase they are eroding our way of life.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Answer 7

We became villains the moment we started engaging in the criminal and immoral act of torture.

We put him in a situation where we was facing torture, possibly for the rest of his life.

We ARE responsible.

If you aren't capable of understanding that, that says something about you, not about the victims of the criminal behavior you support.

If you knew what it's like to be tortured and raped hours a day, every day, for years and years, and have no hope of it ever ending, then maybe you would have come understanding of the situation.

Everyone with any conscience and the least shred of human decency recognizes that torture is wrong.

Always.

BTW, what about all the innocent men torture to death by our government -- those all OK with you, too?

Answer 8

Jeezus lady your a freak en nut. Git-mo is a blotch on this country by any logic. Only whack jobs like you think this OK

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-

I guess by All Men they were not talking about Arabs? does any of this ring a bell with you,
the FBI said he was a Taliban foot soldier with no serious connection to Al Qaeda but I guess you know better....maybe we better arrest you....you seem to have so much in side knowledge.

Answer 9

Now first let me clarify your concepts about the 70 virgins which people talk about whenever they have nothing to say to support their answers/reasons.Actually Most of them say it bcoz they have been misguided about it. Allah(name of God in Muslims) promises Muslims some gifts for good deeds as well as some punishments for the bad ones and I hope in the Holy Bible too, He promises some gifts as well as some punishments. Now note it that GOD HAS FORBIDDEN US TO KILL OURSELVES IN THE HOLY QUR'AN. yes buddies. it's the truth. when something is haraam, it is a "never forgivable sin" to do it and suicide is called HARAAM by GOD in the Holy book of Muslims. yes killing yourself is haraam in islam It's written clearly in the Holy Qur'an and the Muslims believe it. Those, who die through suicide will directly go to HELL as they have done a strictly forbidden sin. a haraam sin. Well , now the question comes into our minds that "then why is it said and being told that Muslims believe that suicidal death is a direct path to heavens and even people tell that Muslims believe that they shall get 70 virgins for it?"
Well. it is being said because,
in the Holy Qur'an , Allah promises Muslims that those who die in the name of God for the sake of humanity and for the truth and rights, they shall be rewarded. Now among those rewards, God has promised that they shall be rewarded with 70 virgins of the Heaven. God also promises in the Qur'an the reward to good men(those who did nice deeds here) of their wives as virgins in the Heavens. e.g if I you are married man and go to Heavens, your wife will be there for you as a virgin.
Now you see that the 70 virgins were promised to be rewarded to those who die in the name of God for the sake of truth and humanity AND THOSE WHO DIE THROUGH SUICIDE WILL DIRECTLY GO TO HELL!. but it was preached and spread amongst you people that these Muslims think that they shall be rewarded with 70 virgins for killing themselves as they think they are doing so for the truth. it was spread amongst you to make you hate Muslims and think that they are fallacious and totally on the wrong side and hence, gain your approval and sympathy for the Iraq and Afghanistan war. And plzz plzz don't think that whatever you are being told is 100% true until you go through the facts and figures yourselves. Whatever I have said is clearly written in the Holy book of Muslims, the Quran. And you can check that that I have said the truth about it.

Answer 10

How much free will do you have when you are shackled and put into a very small cell with minimal time outdoors. Sorry lady, but your idea of free will isn't free. He had two choices, to remain shackled for an indefinite period of time, or free himself through suicide.
The fact that he is one of many who has committed suicide is another issue. And, not all of those who are at Guantanomo are Al Queda or combatants. That's been proven. It's been proven that many of them who have been detained are just citizens from Britain, Afghanistan or other parts of the mid-east who happened to have been swept up into detainment. When will people like you really understand that you don't stoop to the level of your enemies and treat them with torture? If America is the best country in the world then we need to start acting like it and stop treating people around the world like our slaves. There's also this thing called the Geneva convention that applies to all people in the world whether they are part of a government military or al queda.