~Gee, maybe I'm as ignorant of history as you appear to be of the use of the English language, but:
Didn't the Persians attack the Greek City States and wasn't the movie about the Spartan suicide defense of their homeland at Thermopylae? Couldn't that be construed as a tribute to the Iraqi freedom fighters today? Any vastly outnumbered force who holds out against far superior numbers is always compared to the Spartans at Thermopylae, except in the US where the Texicans at the Alamo are substituted.
Is the movie stupid because Persia lost? Gee, even Islamic history books must confirm that Xerxes got beat at Thermopylae. I suppose Darius wasn't defeated at Marathon either, and surely Themistocles and Eurybiades didn't wipe out the Persian fleet at Salamis. After all, if all that had happened, there would have been unification of the Greeks, the Golden Age of Athens would have followed and Western civilization would have been born. Oops, I guess given the undeniable history, all that stuff must have gone down, and all because of the imperialistic yen of the invading Persians and their inability to get the job done. Meanwhile, the Jews were scattered, with no homeland and possible means to unite as an independent people (although the Persians had allowed them back into Jerusalem and let them rebuild the temple there after the Babylonians had kicked them out).
As to the danger to Iran from the US, weren't the two nations the best of friends until the Iranian students (including now president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) seized the US embassy and kidnapped 66 diplomats and staff and held hostage 52 of them for 444 days, with the full backing and support of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini as he tried to solidify his power and finalize his revolution? And didn't that revolution topple the oldest continuous government on earth at the time?
Wasn't the US still selling arms to Khomeini even as he refused to release the hostages? Wouldn't it have been more logical (or certainly more appropriate from a fundamentalist Islamic point of view) for the US to have attacked Iran then if such was the goal of the Great American Devil?
Didn't Iraq wait until Iran and the US were no longer allies before Saddam attacked Iran? Was that Iraqi invasion the great stride forward that Khomeini sought when he severed ties with the US? If so, why did he come to the devils in Washington for arms and assistance when he was getting his butt kicked? And yes, you are right. Saddam was a US ally at the time, too.
Wouldn't the Iranian F-14's provided by the US have been the deciding weapon in that war if only Iran had not terminated the US alliance and essentially engaged in an act of war against the US by the kidnapping holding for ransom those diplomats? And didn't that spur the US into denying Iran the spare parts necessary to put the planes in the air, thus rendering them useless? Wouldn't a little common sense and rational diplomacy with the US have helped end that little war? And didn't the specter of deeper US and USSR involvement help to contain it?
I presume you are sure that Zack Snyder, Gianni Nunnari, Mark Canton, Bernie Goldmann, Jeffrey Silver, Kurt Johnstad and Frank Miller are all Jewish, although I am not sure where you got that information. In case you are wondering who they are, they wrote, produced and directed the movie.
Hasn't the standard of living of the average Iranian fallen miserably since the Islamic Republic was created. Certainly Iranian security was stressed to the breaking point while Saddam was still in the picture. Now, the roles are reversed and once the US and British pull out of Iran it is going to be a race to see who invades Iraq first, be it Iran, the Saudis or Syria. I agree the US had no legal or moral right or justification to invade and Saddam was the only stabilizing force in Iraq and his presence tended to pacify the region somewhat, but with him gone it is certain where the next major war will be and the US is not going to be the one who starts it. Of course, once it gets going and everyone turns their guns on Israel (yet again) the US may have no choice but to react in order to keep Israel from tossing a few nukes in self-defense.
I am sure you understand that Xerxes had already conquered Jerusalem (but the Jews had not held sway there for centuries, already having been conquered by the Egyptians, Babylon and others) before he turned his sights on Leonidas and the Greeks,. What with Cyrus, Xerxes and Darius, the world had nothing to fear from the peace loving Persians as they went about their goal (almost successfully) to rule the known world, right?
The movie is a fictionalized account of a real event and anyone with half a brain and access to uncensored historical references knows that the battle occurred. The bad guys in the movie and the wars would have to be the Persians - Cyrus started it, Darius tried to finish it but kept getting beaten and Xerses finally finished it by losing to the Greeks. The Jews weren't part of it, other than as Persian citizens and Persian subjects. They were mostly building the Temple in Jerusalem at the time.
By the way, although Darius most advanced Persian culture, coinage and commerce, road building, engineering (and let us not forget he was the first to build a canal from the Nile to the Red Sea and the Greeks and Romans borrowed heavily from his works when they built their road systems and aqueducts), law, art and governmental administration, human rights and religious tolerance, he was not Islamic, he was Zoroastrian. Most Persians were, but Persia was the most religiously tolerant empire on the globe in its Golden Age. Where have those days gone? Mohammad wouldn't be born until almost 1,000 years after Darius and his son, Xerxes, died. Much could be learned by modern Iran if only the Iranians would follow the ideals and protocols of the Cyrus Cylinder, as established by Cyrus (the only Gentile to have been designated a messiah by the Jews) and perpetuated and expanded by his successor, Darius, and his grandson, Xerxes.
Yes, Persia has become increasingly more Islamic for 1,300 years or so. That started when the Muslim armies of Khalid and Umar forced Persia to convert.- or did you think the conversion was willing and voluntary? It took centuries of bloodshed to bring that about. Mohammad said Jews and Christians were to be tolerated as long as they remained subservient to Muslim rulers, but that courtesy was not extended to Zoroastrians. They were given the simple choice of 'convert or die'. The Sunni held sway from the 10th to the 15th century, then the Shi'ites took over. More blood was spilled to accomplish that. What ever did happen to the religious tolerance of Cyrus?
Just like with all empires before and after Persia, once the day in the sun is over, subjugation and defeat follows. Just look at Egypt, Babylon, Sumeria, Greece, Rome, the Incas, Mayas, Aztecs, Iroquois and Sioux, Spain, France, Great Britain, Japan and the Soviet Union. History tells us the US will follow suit. Once vanquished, the glory days of empire are lost forever. Such is life. Get over it. But you really ought to learn a little about that of which you speak before going off on an infantile rant which proves only that you don't know what you are talking about.
Of all these wars you mention, how many times was Persia the aggressor and how many times was Persia invaded. Surely you don't blame the British for the invasion by the Islamic Arabs or Genghis Khan? Or the Americans for Tamerlane? I don't think any western power got involved when Persia went after the Greeks or Babylon or Egypt or Sumeria or Turkey or Afghanistan. The Romans weren't even around yet when most of the happened, at least the first time or two. Persia and Iran have a history of war that was four millennia old before the US was born. I guess lust for the good old days would require a shell of a has been empire to point the finger at the current superpower out of jealousy and envy, but the facts belie the accusation.
The sad part is, you may believe that what you are saying is even in some small part true. At least Pahlavi believed in knowledge and a balanced education.
2007-05-31 13:35:33
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answered by Oscar Himpflewitz 7
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